Anti-Gun movies....One at a time,now !

[Tomahawk]

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northstar65 wrote:

RE: the movie Signs........Yes, I remember watching this movie on TV for the first time with my wife and commenting that Gibson must be the only farmer in the U.S. without a shotgun. But then she says that he is a Reverend and that is the reason for him not owning a gun. Left-liberal Hollywood always has an " out", don't they !

The part of Pennsylvania the movie is set in is in or around Lancaster County, PA, an hour or two west of Philadelphia. Even the Mennonites have guns there, I'm told, and perhaps even the Amish. Correct me if I'm wrong. They may be pacifists, but they are not, to my knowledge, vegetarians.

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I just thought of another alien invasion anti-gun film: the 2005 version of War of the Worlds.

Near the beginning, Tom Cruise takes a revolver out of his sock drawer to protect his family when they flee urban North Jersey to escape the alien attack. The camera dwells on the gun; we are meant to notice. Later, when their car is getting overwhelmed by the crowd at the ferry terminal, he fires it into the air to make the crowd allow his family to escape, then he drops it in the street, where it gets picked up by one of the mob. Again, the camera dwells on it. Soon thereafter, the angry, stupid mob start shooting it each other over control of the car. Conclusion? The public is too stupid to handle guns, and guns won't help you.

Keep in mind this is a Spielberg film, the guy who remastered ET and erased all the evil guns from the FBI agents' hands, replacing them with walkie talkies.

 

[Pace]

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Huge difference between Anti-Violence and Anti-Gun, keep that in mind.

Ideally, I'd love to live in a world where I didnt carry a gun. Someone show me that utopia, heaven, whatever it is, please. Until then, I'm always carrying.

 

[tekshogun]

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Pace wrote:

Huge difference between Anti-Violence and Anti-Gun, keep that in mind.

Ideally, I'd love to live in a world where I didnt carry a gun. Someone show me that utopia, heaven, whatever it is, please. Until then, I'm always carrying.

As long as thereis man and creature vying for the same food, source of water, and land, there will be a need for a gun. Even if you are the last living thing on this planet, yourfinal threat will be your self and even then, the quickest and most sensible means of defense will be to put a gun to your head.



You are right though, there is a difference between anti-violence and anti-gun, sometimes they go hand in hand implicitly rather than explicitly.

 

[mtlhdtodd]

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"The Right Of The People" biggest anti POS ever on TV

 

[tekshogun]

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mtlhdtodd wrote:

"The Right Of The People" biggest anti POS ever on TV

Was that a made for TV movie? All I can see is that it was made in 1986.

From the plot description, I think I would have a hard time watching it. Seems like an attempt to discredit pro-gun people hinging on the FACT that guns prevent or stop crime effectively by showing people with guns will use them superficially just because they have them.... which is utter poppycock.

 

[mtlhdtodd]

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tekshogun wrote:

mtlhdtodd wrote:

"The Right Of The People" biggest anti POS ever on TV

Was that a made for TV movie? All I can see is that it was made in 1986.

From the plot description, I think I would have a hard time watching it. Seems like an attempt to discredit pro-gun people hinging on the FACT that guns prevent or stop crime effectively by showing people with guns will use them superficially just because they have them.... which is utter poppycock.

Yes it was made for TV and I saw it when it was first broadcast and it was pure garbage.

 

[SlackwareRobert]

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I must oppose Walking Tall as anti, maybe the remake POS.

But I still get choked up when the son sits outside the hospital room with his rifle
and guards the door. Pro Gun, in a hospital yet.

Also Buford shoots the hit man in the bar doesn't he?

 

[ufcfanvt]

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Elkad wrote:

northstar65 wrote:

One of the worst is in the 1985 movie "Witness" with Harrison Ford hiding out in a PA Amish community.The scene involves an elder talking to a young boy that Fords handgun is "the evil gun of the hand" and the boy should stay clear of it.

Sorry, I'll disagree with this one.  I've no problem with someone deciding to adopt a policy of submitting to violence for themselves.  Not like the Amish tried to make Ford throw his gun away.  And when the child found the gun, after scolding him about it, Ford unloaded it and then let him look at it.

That was definitely a touching scene and very instructive for anyone dealing with A) curious kids and B) adults with the minds of children.

And yeah, the Amish don't really count anyways. Anyone preaching non-resistance to evil is disqualified from any argument.

 

[crisisweasel]

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There is an interesting but obscure movie from 1983 called Handgun. This movie's message confused me on several levels.

A (female) teacher meets a guy who is a gun enthusiast. She has him come in and talk to her class about guns of the old west. Later, he rapes her. So we have what seems to be an insinuation of a link between the idea that guys really into guns are probably predators of a sort. I figured this was the central point of the movie...except...

Things get strange.

First, there is a lot of cooperating from, and dwelling on, American gun culture, from extended scenes in gun stores, conversations about firearms. There's a lot of detail here - the kind of detail and talk that would only be of interest to gun owners.

I have no idea how to take this film. It is worth seeking out, some Colt Python porn ("$485 - I know, that's expensive!" says the gun store employee). This is accompanied by an extended conversation of wood vs rubber grips. Way too much detail for an expressly anti-gun film.

Expressing her admiration for a Colt Python and inquiring as to its cost, the gun store employee says, "$485 - I know, that's expensive!"

"I can just come in here and buy this?" she asks.

"Mm-hmm. Do you live in Texas?" asks the gun store owner.

Her instructor, standing next to her, then says, "You're in a new world. This is a free country down here...."

She says she's originally from Boston and they both scoff.

There's a lot of training scenes that follow, with discussion of technique. Interestingly, until she actually competes in a match, there's no sexism among anyone involved - the instructor, the gun store people - all of them helpfully get her a gun and teach her to shoot properly (I would expect a lot more digs at her - especially in 1983 - but they don't make much issue of this except at one point an instructor says, "I wish I could get my wife to shoot that well.")

Of course, as she dominated in the tournament, the bystanders start leering at her.

Protagonist's soon-to-be rapist is invited into a school to discuss firearms of the Old West. The scene is long and goes into a fair amount of detail about the history of handguns. Here, he discusses the Peacemaker in front of the class, which is paying rapt attention:
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Hard to imagine anyone being allowed to bring guns into a school like this anymore. (This movie features extensive Colt porn.)

Buying a Colt revolver:
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Training:
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Some kind of shooting from the hip drill.
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At the range - note Dallas Pistol Club + NRA Life Member sticker:
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American gun culture; guys at the range, impressed with her skills:
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I don't know what to make of this scene. Here, she sits with members of the pistol club in a restaurant, where huge knives are pulled out and discussed. The Alamo is discussed as is the self-defense use of such knives. Note the Leupold baseball cap.
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Less shocked than fascinated:
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Here, the "intellectual" of the group says a bowie knife would make a good survival knife "in the next few years." This leads to a discussion of how the government is going to go broke, and all the blacks and Mexicans are going to riot because they won't get their welfare checks and the federal government will be impotent and powerless to stop it. They go over the general SHTF scenario. Is this anti-gun, or just realistic? I don't know. I hear gun guys talking like this on youtube all the time. I don't believe any of this kind of thing, but a lot of guys do.

Anyway now that she's a good shot, she's made some friends at the gun club.

This guy believes the SHTF scenario will occur in the next few years:
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Her reaction. The actress plays this part in an interesting way, neither shocked, nor convinced. Here, she's considering what she thinks about all of this:
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But whatever happens, she is going to take that rapist out. Or at least a part of him, judging by this look.
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Dry fire drills at her apartment.
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Pistol match. Her rapist is in the blue shirt. Gotta love the t-shirts here.
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Her rapist, having just shot in the match, taunts her:
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Loading her revolver:
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Dominating the tournament:
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At the range after dark, where she has lured her rapist, and is about to get revenge. She is in her revenge costume.
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Stealing a revolver from the range's rental counter:
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Revenge time:
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So I have no idea what to ultimately make of this except, with the possible exception of Lord of War, it is the "gunniest" movie I've ever seen.

 

[tekshogun]

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crisisweasel wrote:

There is an interesting but obscure movie from 1983 called Handgun. This movie's message confused me on several levels.

I haven't seen it, but from your run through of the movie, it seems alright to me, the actress (Karen Young) ispretty cute. Reminds of the Brave One, except she is getting revenge solely for her self. I don't know about her dressing up as a ninja :lol: although, that works for me too, whatever floats your boat.

Perhaps the point was that if she knew how to handle a gun and had one on her person when she was raped, the rapists would have been dealt with then, rather than later and she wouldn't have been raped.




But let me get this straight, woman is raped by man (at gun point I presume)? Woman goes to gun club that rapist goes to. Do they act like nothing happened? Is she afraid to be around him or does she even know its him (again I haven't seen this)? She get's training, does well in competition, practices how she is going to kill him, then dresses up like a ninja-lante and kills rapists at the gun club.

 

[crisisweasel]

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tekshogun wrote:

crisisweasel wrote:

There is an interesting but obscure movie from 1983 called Handgun. This movie's message confused me on several levels.

I haven't seen it, but from your run through of the movie, it seems alright to me, the actress (Karen Young) ispretty cute. Reminds of the Brave One, except she is getting revenge solely for her self. I don't know about her dressing up as a ninja :lol: although, that works for me too, whatever floats your boat.

Perhaps the point was that if she knew how to handle a gun and had one on her person when she was raped, the rapists would have been dealt with then, rather than later and she wouldn't have been raped.

But let me get this straight, woman is raped by man (at gun point I presume)? Woman goes to gun club that rapist goes to. Do they act like nothing happened? Is she afraid to be around him or does she even know its him (again I haven't seen this)? She get's training, does well in competition, practices how she is going to kill him, then dresses up like a ninja-lante and kills rapists at the gun club.

The rapist's position is that he has "loosened her up" from her sexual inhibitions and done her a favor.

She breaks up with him and mostly they avoid each other. She knows it's him. It isn't explained why she shows up on his turf except she's stomping around his world, with guns and the like, presumably to teach him some kind of lesson. Or it's just the local gun club and is convenient.

It is definitely one of the more confusing questions in the movie.

 

[Tomahawk]

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Speaking of The Brave One, I think that was a movie that was meant to be antigun, but didn't quite succeed. Jodie Foster is not known for being pro-gun, and the movie certainly was filmed to make the viewer feel uneasy about Foster's character arming herself.

 

[Tomahawk]

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Here's one I'm watching right now: Runaway Jury.

There's a lawsuit against the Evil Gun Manufacturer, who is of course tampering with the jury. The gun company officials meet in dark rooms and the gun shop owner looks like a pot-smoking redneck, complete with sideburns. Dustin Hoffman puts on his best faux-southern accent to play the bleeding heart lawer.

 

[dukenukum]

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Tomahawk wrote:

Signs starring Mel Gibson of all people. A family of farmers in rural Pennsylvania locks themselves in their basement to hide from aliens and they are armed to defend themselves with...nothing...not only are there no guns in the house, apparently they don't even have a pitchfork or a broomhandle. And not just this one family; after teh alien invasion ended the news reported that people were fighting back with primitive weapons, but not firearms.

If you've ever been in a Pennsylvania farm house, you've seen more guns than some small countries have in their armies. The opening day of deer season in Penna. sounds like WWII in the woods. If aliens were invading there'd be 3 or 4 of them cleaned and dressed in each barn within two hours.

M. Night Shyamalan has to answer for this discrepancy.

the opposite of signs is night feeders mega b grade but fun it's rednecks vs aliens
lots of guns and no whine from antis.

 

[Tess]

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Tomahawk wrote:

Here's one I'm watching right now: Runaway Jury.

There's a lawsuit against the Evil Gun Manufacturer, who is of course tampering with the jury. The gun company officials meet in dark rooms and the gun shop owner looks like a pot-smoking redneck, complete with sideburns. Dustin Hoffman puts on his best faux-southern accent to play the bleeding heart lawer.

The book from which this was taken, however, has this as a tobacco lawsuit, not a gun lawsuit.