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OC4me said:
Pending final word from VDCL's attorney's, I sure hope that some freedom-loving Virginians will get together and open carry in D.C. as part of a pre-planned group picnic and/or stroll (safety in numbers). I'd love to see that, really love to see that!

There needs to be some 'proof' that average persons can be armed in public in the District without the sky falling BEFORE the city council muddies up the current de facto constitutional carry status of our nation's capital.
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I'm planning on taking the family up this weekend if they've not passed some crazy draconian new law in the interim. I don't have it in my budget to make the trip tonight.

That said, if there is a VCDL gathering in DC, I'll be there.
 
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Probably a stupid question, but does this mean that my double stack mag is illegal in its current form, loaded or unloaded? Or does this mean that I can only have 10 bullets in the mag (it's a .40 cal 12 rd. capacity mag?)
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It's the magazine that's illegal, so no.

I've read on other forums that the officer answering questions at MPD isn't sure if the magazine ban would apply to non-residents or not. I'd play it safe and carry a 1911.
 
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VCDL should capitalize on this opportunity

If anyone here is on the VCDL board, I think an event (meeting, supper, group sightseeing, whatever) in DC should be planned NOW. I think many of us would like to test the waters of DC given the current ruling, but are hesitant. There is strength in numbers and I am sure PVC would give the local police a heads up so as not to have a seen with the local residents and police. This would probably get some publicity for VCDL as well, although I am not sure that this should be made that big of a deal (with banners and such). Really, it should be us going about our daily lives. Maybe a picnic on the national mall? Or a guided bus tour through the city with 50 VCDL members carrying would work.

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Arma1911 said:
If anyone here is on the VCDL board, I think an event (meeting, supper, group sightseeing, whatever) in DC should be planned NOW. I think many of us would like to test the waters of DC given the current ruling, but are hesitant. There is strength in numbers and I am sure PVC would give the local police a heads up so as not to have a seen with the local residents and police. This would probably get some publicity for VCDL as well, although I am not sure that this should be made that big of a deal (with banners and such). Really, it should be us going about our daily lives. Maybe a picnic on the national mall? Or a guided bus tour through the city with 50 VCDL members carrying would work.

Thoughts?
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Not speaking for VCDL, just giving my observations.

VCDL's area of responsibility is the Commonwealth of Virginia - not Wash. D.C., not Maryland. not North Carolina. While VCDL has signed on as a friend of the court in specific cases, we do not oft venture into battles beyond our borders.

Are you going to carry an empty gun, devoid of ammo. I do not see that this decision exempts one from the D.C. ordinance regarding the possession of unregistered ammunition. If it does, I missed it.
http://11.0. ACT 194663 - DC Regulations

Would I love to in this lifetime carry on the National Mall and the Jefferson Memorial - w/o a scintilla of a doubt. Until then, neither do I want to be a test case nor cause someone else to be.
 
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You make an excellent point, Grape.

However, I still hope that VCDL takes some interest because, let's face it, many VCDL members work in DC and live in Virginia. So this is relavent to the safety of Virginians. I do not know the answer about the ammunition, but it seems to me that the judge made an intelligent rulling and understands the right of self defense with a handgum. And that I hope he recognizes that a gun is only good for self defense if it has bullets. But, I could be (and often am) wrong.

Here is a link to Emily Miller in an interview stating that the cheif of DC police has told all LEOs not to arrest citizens who are legally allowed to posses firearms in DC (DC residents with permit) or visitors to DC if they may legally carry in their home state.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/37005811...ghts-advocates/#sp=show-clips&v=3700581181001
 
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Arma1911 said:
You make an excellent point, Grape.

However, I still hope that VCDL takes some interest because, let's face it, many VCDL members work in DC and live in Virginia. So this is relavent to the safety of Virginians. I do not know the answer about the ammunition, but it seems to me that the judge made an intelligent rulling and understands the right of self defense with a handgum. And that I hope he recognizes that a gun is only good for self defense if it has bullets. But, I could be (and often am) wrong.

Here is a link to Emily Miller in an interview stating that the cheif of DC police has told all LEOs not to arrest citizens who are legally allowed to posses firearms in DC (DC residents with permit) or visitors to DC if they may legally carry in their home state.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/37005811...ghts-advocates/#sp=show-clips&v=3700581181001
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With all due respect, sir, the same can be said of the other states mentioned. Many Virginians work in NC and Maryland, but VCDL does not sponsor events there.

We do advise all to be knowledgeable of the laws of the states in which you might travel and frequently advise caution when all nuances are not clearly defined.
 
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Caution recommended

One of "our people" has a contact on the D.C. PD. Here is what was told to him when he queried how LEOs would respond:

"there are some real **** anti-gun officers who would look for any gray area to cause someone some trouble." He also said quite a few officers are unhappy with the current decision. The people need to be very aware of where they are in regards to federal property in DC. Obviously that is going to cause some issues for people not paying attention."

Now if you think you really know the law and policy there, have plenty of money, and an attorney licensed to practice law in D.C. in whom you have supreme confidence, then you might choose to go for it. You might even become famous on OCDO......for a short time. Afraid though that by the time your case is actually heard only a few diehard people will remember the circumstances well enough to discuss it.

Or if you are more prudent and have a family dependent upon you for food and shelter, you might be better to wait until the dust settles a bit on this. I will and I am not the shy, retiring type.
 
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Just a reminder to those tempted and since I wouldn't go to DC for love or money, that doesn't include me....Even in good old Virginia, officers determined to make life rough for law abiding citizens, are capable of doing so. You need only look as far as Skidmark or Scouser.

Tread softly and carry a big gun....but ever so quietly. :uhoh:
 
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peter nap said:
Just a reminder to those tempted and since I wouldn't go to DC for love or money, that doesn't include me....Even in good old Virginia, officers determined to make life rough for law abiding citizens, are capable of doing so. You need only look as far as Skidmark or Scouser.

Tread softly and carry a big gun....but ever so quietly. :uhoh:
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A stay has been asked for a period of 6 months to allow DC to pass replacement laws... what? They are asking permission to continue enforcing an unconstitutional law and continue violating the Citizens Rights for 6 more months. .. does no one else see how horrible that sounds? As much as I can repect that judge for the decision he made, if he allows an unconstitutional law to continue for any period of time would only serve to show the sad state of affairs we are in.
 
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Baked on Grease said:
A stay has been asked for a period of 6 months to allow DC to pass replacement laws... what? They are asking permission to continue enforcing an unconstitutional law and continue violating the Citizens Rights for 6 more months. .. does no one else see how horrible that sounds? As much as I can repect that judge for the decision he made, if he allows an unconstitutional law to continue for any period of time would only serve to show the sad state of affairs we are in.
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Exactly:

"Please let us continue to ILLEGALLY violate the Constitutional rights of all citizens for six more months while we figure out how to just BARELY legally violate the Constitutional rights of all citizens..."

TFred
 
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TFred said:
Exactly:

"Please let us continue to ILLEGALLY violate the Constitutional rights of all citizens for six more months while we figure out how to just BARELY legally violate the Constitutional rights of all citizens..."

TFred
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homestar said:
Washington Times reports that a 90-day stay was just granted: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/29/federal-judge-grants-90-day-stay-dc-gun-case/
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Wonderful. Well thats that then. Of course no one will bother or dare to exercise a right thats been denied even though no one has the right to deny it and DC will be as HI and CA. Anyone going to prosecute the judge for making a ruling he had no right to make? Anyone going to ignore an unconstitutional ruling that has no force of law? :banghead: Thought not.
 
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