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Ronaldus Magnus was a democrat before he was a republican icon. Conservative, as I define the term, is not a moniker I subscribe to him...he is of Hollywood. I well liked his tax policy re business though.
Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.
The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/20...-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html
Come on, Jeff. We are grossly affected by the extreme diversity of the two parties. They have never been further left and right respectively.
I read the links. I don't buy much of it.
He grew government. The fact you guys love him don't change the reality check you may need that he grew government.
That is why there is no counter to the many areas of government and tyranny that grew under his watch.
Utahs synapsis isn't all truth.
IMO, the next POTUS has already been SELECTED by those who control him/her.
Ronaldus Magnus was a democrat before he was a republican icon. Conservative, as I define the term, is not a moniker I subscribe to him...he is of Hollywood. I well liked his tax policy re business though.
No reason to let data change your point of view.
You can't use reason to talk a man out of position he didn't use reason to get into.
What reality is check is needed? My post makes quite clear that government spending grew under his watch. A thoughtful person might compare the growth of government to the growth of GDP or some other metric of the cost of government compared to the overall economy.
I certainly welcome citations to the contrary. It appeared to me the Wiki article from which I pulled the data was quite well footnoted.
Actually, I take that back. Don't bother with citations. This entire discussion of Reagan is off topic.
This is an RKBA/OC forum. So you should not presume that everyone here is opposed to taxes, government programs, military spending, etc. While most libertarians and anarchists may be gun owners, most gun owners are not libertarians nor anarchists. A large number of gun owners are conservatives, a smaller number are actually liberals.
And the fact remains that the two justices Reagan appointed to the SCOTUS came down on the majority side in declaring RKBA to be an individual right not dependent upon nor connected to militia nor military service in any way.
All of Clinton's and Obama's appointments voted against an individual RKBA.
Heller and McDonald have fundamentally shifted the national debate on RKBA to our favor.
Don't tell us that voting doesn't matter. Had gun owners--especially blue-collar, blue-dog, gun owning democrat union members--not voted against Al Gore, Heller would have gone the other way.
The results of the '94 congressional elections had a huge and beneficial impact on RKBA.
And the results of State legislative races over the last 25 years were really the driving force behind the advances we've made on RKBA.
Anyone who can't see that, simply won't see it.
Those justices also have sided with rights erosion too. The RKBA isn't the only right you know that right?
It is the only right we can rightly assume that everyone on this board agrees is a right.
Admittedly, most of us will agree on a good many other issues. But this is an OC/RKBA forum, not a libertarian, anarchist, nor anti-government forum.
And I can and have demonstrated that voting--locally for State legislators, as well as for congressmen and the president--has made a very positive difference for RKBA over the last 25 or 30 years.
That voting has not lead to Libertopia is not proof that voting doesn't work. It may well be evidence that voting reflects the desires of the electorate not to live in Libertopia.
Charles
Its also not a pro statist forum.
And notably, you'll have a hard time finding many quotes from me actually advocating for larger, more expensive, more expansive government. Doubtless you think I do a lot of that. But a careful, thoughtful, objective reading of my posts will find they are most often (not always, I am a traditional conservative, after all) simply opposing the kind of radical anarchy that you and a couple of others propose. Quite often, I don't actually take a position on the non-RKBA topics, but simply point out that a pro-OC/pro-RKBA position does not require any particular position on those topics.
Yet again, back to the OP rather than your pet (off) topics, it has been amply demonstrated that voting leads to better results for RKBA than does not voting and letting the worst option get elected.
Charles
Yet again, back to the OP rather than your pet (off) topics, it has been amply demonstrated that voting leads to better results for RKBA than does not voting and letting the worst option get elected.
Charles
You spent quite a bit of bytes in this very thread and others excusing bigger government and one for the state. It's funny how often you bring up my anarchist leanings even when I am not discussing it. Typical.
It also has been amply demonstrated voting erodes rights ( this thread isn't specific to RKBA, yet what just happened in Washington?).
See how the small "victories" in RKBA help when Government Stormtroopers knock down your door after gathering intel from your email, phone calls, health records, etc. etc. etc to "crimes they conceive in legislatures.. They of course have the means of doing this from the THEFT of every working Americans LIFE AKA "income".
Charles YOU will defend THE STATE at all costs to "the individual". IMO you would have been a Loyalist during the American Revolution.
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making war on my government,
Citations are welcome and by your claim should be easy to come by. Lacking that, your claims about me excusing bigger government in this tread are without credibility.
No. It has been amply demonstrated that a couple of agent provocateurs or morons (as the case may be) think that a 2nd term of Carter, or an Al Gore presidency, or the Democrats maintaining control of the House after the '94 election would have been a good thing for RKBA.
Charles, we are on opposite sides.
I look at todays Government as a dirty, corrupted, inhumane, thieving, incorrigible, lying, murdering, sadistic, rotten to the core, slave owning, diseased, SATANIC, DAMNED WHOR E.
You embrace it as YOUR "life partner".
You are right about one thing Charles, and that is my absolute hatred for what I describe above.
It is far from "mindless" however, and I think any HONEST American would agree with many of the adjectives I used..