.327 Magnum as a self defense caliber?

[Bailenforcer]

Well said and I have owned this before 86. If I remember right 1982ish? Maybe 81...

No, a machine gun can have any length of barrel on it. The Cox opinion seemed to cover all NFA weapons, but it was interpreted by everyone to for sure cover full auto's, and consider registration to be the same as licensing. You can put whatever length barrel you want on a registered machine gun, per state and federal law. If you go to a full auto shoot, you will see typically a dozen or so Stens, MAC's, and other similarly configured under 16" barreled machine guns. Never in the history of Federal or Michigan state law has it been illegal to have a registered machine gun with any length of barrel. Even after 86 when I believe it was that tyrant Frank Kelly signed away our machine gun rights in the wake of the 86 ban, up until Mike Cox halfway reinstated them, those with C&R licenses and C&R guns, as well as those who already had registered full autos before Kelly's assault on freedom were perfectly legal to have them.

Also note that there is a way to have a semi auto SBR, it's got to be a C&R gun. Mauser handguns with broomhandle stocks are a good example. I've seen C&R holders bring them to the pit from time to time.

 

[Bailenforcer]

Once again you made too many assumptions based on almost no information from me. Assume is spelled ass-u-me do I need to elaborate?

so its not a MI pistol, so here my problem.

if it has a butstock, and a 12.5 inch barrel the its a SBR and cannot in anyway be registered legaly in MI not even if it was a machine gun, the barrel is to short. i have been in contact with both BATFE and MSP and there is no way to register a SBR in MI period. you can have a a Class 3 type weapon by federal law and even if said weapon is properly registered with the BATFE if its not a machine gun with a barrel over 16inches, then it is contra band in MI. i had a legal blackside suppressor perfectly legal with the ATF per federal law, but in MI it is contra-band. don't post about illegal activity.

now, i don't want a ******* match but its very clear by both the ATF and MSP there is no way to register a SBR in MI. it may have been registered out of state then brought in and maybe you didn't know better, like i did with the suppressor. but now you know. the burden of proof is on you. and if you were a title 2 dealer what was your old FFL post it or PM it for verification.

 

[Michigander]

Well said and I have owned this before 86. If I remember right 1982ish? Maybe 81...

The funny thing is I was thinking about this in the car, and figured out that this must be the case, unless you still maintained a license.

 

[NHCGRPR45]

Well said and I have owned this before 86. If I remember right 1982ish? Maybe 81...

per MI law, SBR are illegal in MI, it does not matter what the date of manufacture was, it does not matter that it federally registered. in MI a firearm that is not a MI pistol or a registered machine gun, is illegal. if its a weapon that can be shouldered, with a barrel less than 18 inches for a shot gun, or 16 inches for a rifle, its a SBR or SBS, and illegal.

and yes after getting back in touch with the ATF, a registered machine gun can have any legnth. MSP is still has not gotten back to me yet but when they do i will post the response here about the legality of owning an sbr sbs in mi.

 

[Michigander]

per MI law, SBR are illegal in MI, it does not matter what the date of manufacture was, it does not matter that it federally registered. in MI a firearm that is not a MI pistol or a registered machine gun, is illegal. if its a weapon that can be shouldered, with a barrel less than 18 inches for a shot gun, or 16 inches for a rifle, its a SBR or SBS, and illegal.

and yes after getting back in touch with the ATF, a registered machine gun can have any legnth. MSP is still has not gotten back to me yet but when they do i will post the response here about the legality of owning an sbr sbs in mi.

It appears that you are missing the idea that Michigan used to consider NFA weapons to be fine if legally registered, and then Frank Kelly used his office to initiate anti gun activism, thereby banning NFA weapons other than C&R's, DD's and AOW's, declaring that the standard NFA registration did not qualify as a licensing procedure. Those with the prohibited weapons who had them registered before his tyranny were grandfathered in. This was actually talked about in one of Fred Trost's final Practical Sportsman episodes, where they talked about all of the things that had gone away and weren't coming back, which was secretly symbolic because the show was going under. They showed their old file footage of a guy with a MP5 which he registered before Kelly raped our state.

It would appear that Bailenforcer is one of the a handful of people in Michigan to have a lawfully registered SBR which they didn't get through a FFL or a crime.

 

[Elklander]

Yes, ammo availability was a consideration. The shop I deal with says they can keep it in stock reasonably well. As I stated, the reviews I read were positive for this caliber; but I would like some opinions from people here that have fired it.
Thanks

I've had my 327 for about 2 years and I find that it is fun to shoot and manageable with recoil.Also very accurate at 15 yards.Wife is trying to steal and put in her collection.

 

[PDinDetroit]

I've had my 327 for about 2 years and I find that it is fun to shoot and manageable with recoil.Also very accurate at 15 yards.Wife is trying to steal and put in her collection.

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