2017 Legislative Session

[77zach]

Committee assignments have been made in the Senate.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/African Americann-names-simpson-others-to-leadership-posts

Senate Minority Leader Oscar Braynon, D-Miami Gardens, indicated he believed there is still a chance to defeat the legislation.

"I believe one of the reasons that those bills died was not just because that chairman (Diaz de la Portilla) held back the bills," Braynon said. "I think the Senate was probably not willing to hear those bills. The same will probably be true this year."

Our problems with the chair of the Judiciary Committee are over but there is still stealth resistance to OC by some senate Republicans. Known Republican opponents are Latvala and Perry and likely Garcia. In addition, a weakly pro gun Democrat chairs the Criminal Justice committee. The senate President is pro gun but the CJ chair will be very much influenced by Bloomberg bucks and fellow Democrap peer pressure.

House committee assignements have not yet been made.

 

[77zach]

I emailed the Senate President asking why he has doomed pro gun bills by appointing a democrat the chair of the criminal justice committee. I will post his reply if I receive one. If I don't receive one I'll call his office.

 

[77zach]

HB 6005 has been filed, a campus carry bill, a simple repealer.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=56699

 

[Mas49.56]

HB 6005 has been filed, a campus carry bill, a simple repealer.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=56699

and HB 6001, airport terminal carry

 

[77zach]

Open carry bill filed

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0140/?Tab=BillText

OC bill filed by senator Steube. The bill also eliminates fish in a barrel zones across the board. Except, strangely enough, in bars.....like where the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando happened.

 

[Grapeshot]

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0140/?Tab=BillText

OC bill filed by senator Steube. The bill also eliminates fish in a barrel zones across the board. Except, strangely enough, in bars.....like where the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando happened.

And schools are still GFZs.

 

[77zach]

And schools are still GFZs.

Nope, they're freed up from preschool through college. Rest assured though, if this bill passes that part will be taken out. We can't have psychotic spree killers meeting armed resistance.

 

[2OLD2W8]

I emailed the Senate President asking why he has doomed pro gun bills by appointing a democrat the chair of the criminal justice committee. I will post his reply if I receive one. If I don't receive one I'll call his office.

What shade of blue have you reached while waiting?:uhoh: Sorry, couldn't resist. Any luck with the new prez?

 

[77zach]

What shade of blue have you reached while waiting?:uhoh: Sorry, couldn't resist. Any luck with the new prez?

An aide said they (Bracy and the President) share some legislative priorities, specifically juvenile sentencing reforms. I had the feeling Bracy will play ball and let the bill be heard, and if it is, it will pass due to a strong majority on pro gunners on that committee. Judiciary I don't know how they'll get around one of the rhinos.

Committee assignments are out in the house, we "should" be ok there.

 

[hammer6]

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0140/?Tab=BillText

OC bill filed by senator Steube. The bill also eliminates fish in a barrel zones across the board. Except, strangely enough, in bars.....like where the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando happened.

i didn't realize "bars" were in the list of prohibited places?

 

[2OLD2W8]

i didn't realize "bars" were in the list of prohibited places?

SNIP
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:

12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;


P.S.

I drink alone

 

[77zach]

i didn't realize "bars" were in the list of prohibited places?

There has been a lot of discussion about it here and elsewhere, but no one knows for sure what the phrase "that portion" means. In the most broad interpretation it would mean table tops some distance from the actual bar top, like the 'first come, first serve' areas at chains like Outback, for example. It could also mean you cannot even step foot into a true "bar". However, maybe it just means you cannot go to the bar where drinks are actually being dispensed, where the bartender is, and that's the way I read it.

So, I've carried in bars, I just sit away from the actual bar. If we get OC, I will CC if I ever go to a bar again (only been to a few in my life) to err on the side of caution and not draw attention to myself. Steube may have felt the same way and figured it wasn't worth the fight over removing the language.

 

[hammer6]

also what sucks is, stop and identify will be legal.

 

[2OLD2W8]

also what sucks is, stop and identify will be legal.

Yes it sucks. Turn the table. Take the battle to them with incremental steps..Tit for Tat..:banana:

 

[phil1979]

also what sucks is, stop and identify will be legal.

How so? I know the law says, "upon demand...", but the way I understand the 4th Amendment is that nothing can be demanded of you (unless it's "leave the area!" in some circumstances) if you're not being detained.

If I confirm I'm not being detained, I just go my own way.

If I'm detained, I do the following:

1. Offer no physical resistance
2. Verbally not consent to any searches or seizures
3. Not reach in my pocket for anything (for the safety of myself and the officer)

If the officer then takes my ID and carry license, or worse, arrests me, I sue for a 4th Amendment violation.

This is way I'll handle it if I'm stopped just for carrying openly under the soon to be new law in Florida.

http://pursuitofpatriotism.blogspot.com

 

[77zach]

also what sucks is, stop and identify will be legal.

Nope, but I'm sure some will try. Carry is no longer the crime, but carrying without a license, at least with concealed carry. There is also case law on this point. They cannot stop you just to see if you have a license.

 

[2OLD2W8]

SNIP

They cannot stop you just to see if you have a license.

Some of our Barneys will ignore the actual law as written. Hell, it's way more fun to enforce personal views and feed the beast. :banghead:

 

[D1KarVer]

Whats the chance of Open Option Carry this upcoming year?

 

[Grapeshot]

Whats the chance of Open Option Carry this upcoming year?

If you haven't bet your lunch money on it passing this year, you should be okay.

 

[2OLD2W8]

If you haven't bet your lunch money on it passing this year, you should be okay.

:lol:
I bought a very tasty bottle of bourbon, my fingers are crossed.. A positive decision acknowledging and memorializing the founder's 2A "individual right interpretation" will
necessitate that I empty the bottle!