Sears is anti-gun now

JesterP99 · Oct 29, 2013

Grapeshot said:
Cliff Notes/conclusion with soundcloud link in support is more better.

Done.

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peter nap · Oct 29, 2013

I just love listening to ignorant folks try to sound official.:lol:

Do me a favor Jester, make me acopy of that along with notes on who they were and give it to me when you see me again. Time to bust some butts.

va_tazdad · Oct 29, 2013

Before you do,

JesterP99 said:
https://soundcloud.com/jestersp2022/sears-encounter

Sum:

I walked in, talked to associate about my vehicle, then the manager asked I was the one that wanted to talk with him. He told me that any associate could ask me to leave for any reason. He told me it was illegal for me to carry in Sears and walmart and anywhere that sold alcohol (still not sure what walmart or alcohol had to do with Sears). I told him state preemption and he said no there are local ordinances. We argued for about 10 seconds and I said it wasn't worth arguing. He said the next time I carried in his store I would be asked to leave.

Here is the link to the edited audio. I am sure you don't want to hear me talking to the associate about my car but this version has all the manager encounter.

Maybe I should bring him a copy of the state law so he can know for the future.

Better make sure he can read.

MKEgal · Oct 29, 2013

JesterP99 said:
I think it's a losing battle either way, not worth pursuing.
I'll take my business elsewhere I guess.

On the first page of comments is text of a reply from corporate saying that they welcome lawfully-armed customers.
Forget about the local manager, since he's obviously going against corp. policy, and make the written complaint straight to corporate.
I'd include the text of the reply that we have.

Here, I've even found you their online "I had a problem, what are you going to do about it" form:
http://www.sears.com/csemail/nb-100000000020508

I don't know why he said anything about stores that sell alcohol, because surely a car repair shop doesn't, so it's not relevant to the conversation, just as the corporate policy of WM isn't relevant. (
Though if you want to mention to corporate that the manager of their car repair shop thinks/says he's selling alcohol, I'm sure they'd want to investigate.)
Only Sears policy is, and we already have that (see the first page of comments).

WalkingWolf · Oct 29, 2013

JesterP99 said:
https://soundcloud.com/jestersp2022/sears-encounter

Sum:

I walked in, talked to associate about my vehicle, then the manager asked I was the one that wanted to talk with him. He told me that any associate could ask me to leave for any reason. He told me it was illegal for me to carry in Sears and walmart and anywhere that sold alcohol (still not sure what walmart or alcohol had to do with Sears). I told him state preemption and he said no there are local ordinances. We argued for about 10 seconds and I said it wasn't worth arguing. He said the next time I carried in his store I would be asked to leave.

Here is the link to the edited audio. I am sure you don't want to hear me talking to the associate about my car but this version has all the manager encounter.

Maybe I should bring him a copy of the state law so he can know for the future.

That guy is a moron, it is not his place to argue law with you when it has nothing to do with Sears. Complete dufus, hope Sears fires him, I wouldn't want him anywhere near one of my vehicles.

Grapeshot · Oct 29, 2013

MKEgal said:
--snaipped--

I don't know why he said anything about stores that sell alcohol, because surely a car repair shop doesn't, so it's not relevant to the conversation, just as the corporate policy of WM isn't relevant.

In Virginia, alcohol sales do not impact one's ability to legally carry - not in restaurants, liquor stores, Wal-Marts or anywhere else on that basis.

eye95 · Oct 29, 2013

What about alcohol sales in a car-care facility?

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Grapeshot · Oct 29, 2013

Grapeshot said:
In Virginia, alcohol sales do not impact one's ability to legally carry - not in restaurants, liquor stores, Wal-Marts or anywhere else on that basis.

eye95 said:
What about alcohol sales in a car-care facility?

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The question isn't whether the repair shop can legally sell alcohol, but whether they or the store in general could "on that basis" prevent a LAC from carrying.

OTOH - it might be good marketing for a repair shop to offer Suds & Burgers while you wait

half_life1052 · Oct 29, 2013

eye95 said:
What about alcohol sales in a car-care facility?

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Funny you should pop in

. I was just thinking how much this sounded like an Ohioan quoting the "law".

Grapeshot · Oct 29, 2013

Wonder how many remember when repair shops routinely sold large quantities of alcohol........legally.

The old style engine coolant antifreeze was alcohol based - fairly effective but with a very low boiling point. Some automotive products still contain alcohol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze

Tess · Oct 31, 2013

Grapeshot said:
Wonder how many remember when repair shops routinely sold large quantities of alcohol........legally.

The old style engine coolant antifreeze was alcohol based - fairly effective but with a very low boiling point. Some automotive products still contain alcohol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze

It has always been a source of amusement to me that the military regularly and routinely rails against drinking and driving. But their "Class VI" stores, which are the alcohol-selling arm of AAFES, are most often co-located with the base/post's service station.

eye95 · Oct 31, 2013

Tess said:
It has always been a source of amusement to me that the military regularly and routinely rails against drinking and driving. But their "Class VI" stores, which are the alcohol-selling arm of AAFES, are most often co-located with the base/post's service station.

I work for AAFES. I served in the AF for twenty years. The Class VI is generally NOT collocated with the service station. The service station is often a part of the Express, which is a convenience store. As with almost all convenience stores in the civilian market, they sell a small selection of beer and wine, and a relatively tiny selection of liquor. The Class VI, which has a broader selection and larger inventory is a separate entity.

The one difference between the military and civilian stores is that the Express does not jack up the prices of the products it sells. If it sells the same product as other Exchanges, the prices will be the same across the board.

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Tess · Nov 1, 2013

eye95 said:
I work for AAFES. I served in the AF for twenty years. The Class VI is generally NOT collocated with the service station. The service station is often a part of the Express, which is a convenience store. As with almost all convenience stores in the civilian market, they sell a small selection of beer and wine, and a relatively tiny selection of liquor. The Class VI, which has a broader selection and larger inventory is a separate entity.

The one difference between the military and civilian stores is that the Express does not jack up the prices of the products it sells. If it sells the same product as other Exchanges, the prices will be the same across the board.

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Guess we've been on different posts/bases, then. ALMOST every base I have been on have co-located the two.

marshaul · Nov 1, 2013

Grapeshot said:
If the store has a separate entrance whereby you enter w/o actually entering the common area, then mall "policy" is seldom a problem.

Agreed. Anchor stores usually employ their own security and enforce their own rules.

Red Dawg · Nov 1, 2013

Tess said:
Guess we've been on different posts/bases, then. ALMOST every base I have been on have co-located the two.

Yep...I travel to bases to make muh livin', and the package store/class 6, is almost always next to the "tire store"...And in the "gas station"...On Offutt there is even a door to go from one to the other...Without getting wet/cold..

eye95 · Nov 1, 2013

Tess said:
Guess we've been on different posts/bases, then. ALMOST every base I have been on have co-located the two.

I suspect you are mixing up the Class VI and the Express. Both sell alcohol at the same prices, but serve very different purposes. The Class VI is virtually exclusively a liquor store. The Express is a convenience store (and used to be branded as "the Shoppette").

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Tess · Nov 1, 2013

eye95 said:
I suspect you are mixing up the Class VI and the Express. Both sell alcohol at the same prices, but serve very different purposes. The Class VI is virtually exclusively a liquor store. The Express is a convenience store (and used to be branded as "the Shoppette").

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The only base I can recall the two being separate was Lowry AFB. If the two are differennt things now, then none of the bases I've visited in the last 15-or-more years have Class VI.

The name is a technicality, though, and irrelevant. On base/post, you get your alcoholic beverages at the same place you purchase fuel for your vehicles.

eye95 · Nov 1, 2013

Tess said:
The only base I can recall the two being separate was Lowry AFB. If the two are differennt things now, then none of the bases I've visited in the last 15-or-more years have Class VI.

The name is a technicality, though, and irrelevant. On base/post, you get your alcoholic beverages at the same place you purchase fuel for your vehicles.

And that place is a convenience store where, just as all over the civilian world, you can get gas and beer.

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WalkingWolf · Nov 1, 2013

What has that to do with Sears? AFAIK Sears does not sell alcohol for consumption, and any alcohol products are poison intended for internal combustion engines.

Grapeshot · Nov 1, 2013

WalkingWolf said:
What has that to do with Sears? AFAIK Sears does not sell alcohol for consumption, and any alcohol products are poison intended for internal combustion engines.

Agree and even the title is somewhat misleading.

Think that we have gone sufficiently off topic - Sears or [strike]bust[/strike] lock.

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