JesterP99
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Cliff Notes/conclusion with soundcloud link in support is more better.
Done.
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Cliff Notes/conclusion with soundcloud link in support is more better.
https://soundcloud.com/jestersp2022/sears-encounter
Sum:
I walked in, talked to associate about my vehicle, then the manager asked I was the one that wanted to talk with him. He told me that any associate could ask me to leave for any reason. He told me it was illegal for me to carry in Sears and walmart and anywhere that sold alcohol (still not sure what walmart or alcohol had to do with Sears). I told him state preemption and he said no there are local ordinances. We argued for about 10 seconds and I said it wasn't worth arguing. He said the next time I carried in his store I would be asked to leave.
Here is the link to the edited audio. I am sure you don't want to hear me talking to the associate about my car but this version has all the manager encounter.
Maybe I should bring him a copy of the state law so he can know for the future.
On the first page of comments is text of a reply from corporate saying that they welcome lawfully-armed customers.JesterP99 said:I think it's a losing battle either way, not worth pursuing.
I'll take my business elsewhere I guess.
https://soundcloud.com/jestersp2022/sears-encounter
Sum:
I walked in, talked to associate about my vehicle, then the manager asked I was the one that wanted to talk with him. He told me that any associate could ask me to leave for any reason. He told me it was illegal for me to carry in Sears and walmart and anywhere that sold alcohol (still not sure what walmart or alcohol had to do with Sears). I told him state preemption and he said no there are local ordinances. We argued for about 10 seconds and I said it wasn't worth arguing. He said the next time I carried in his store I would be asked to leave.
Here is the link to the edited audio. I am sure you don't want to hear me talking to the associate about my car but this version has all the manager encounter.
Maybe I should bring him a copy of the state law so he can know for the future.
In Virginia, alcohol sales do not impact one's ability to legally carry - not in restaurants, liquor stores, Wal-Marts or anywhere else on that basis.--snaipped--
I don't know why he said anything about stores that sell alcohol, because surely a car repair shop doesn't, so it's not relevant to the conversation, just as the corporate policy of WM isn't relevant.
In Virginia, alcohol sales do not impact one's ability to legally carry - not in restaurants, liquor stores, Wal-Marts or anywhere else on that basis.
The question isn't whether the repair shop can legally sell alcohol, but whether they or the store in general could "on that basis" prevent a LAC from carrying.
Wonder how many remember when repair shops routinely sold large quantities of alcohol........legally.
The old style engine coolant antifreeze was alcohol based - fairly effective but with a very low boiling point. Some automotive products still contain alcohol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze
It has always been a source of amusement to me that the military regularly and routinely rails against drinking and driving. But their "Class VI" stores, which are the alcohol-selling arm of AAFES, are most often co-located with the base/post's service station.
I work for AAFES. I served in the AF for twenty years. The Class VI is generally NOT collocated with the service station. The service station is often a part of the Express, which is a convenience store. As with almost all convenience stores in the civilian market, they sell a small selection of beer and wine, and a relatively tiny selection of liquor. The Class VI, which has a broader selection and larger inventory is a separate entity.
The one difference between the military and civilian stores is that the Express does not jack up the prices of the products it sells. If it sells the same product as other Exchanges, the prices will be the same across the board.
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If the store has a separate entrance whereby you enter w/o actually entering the common area, then mall "policy" is seldom a problem.
Guess we've been on different posts/bases, then. ALMOST every base I have been on have co-located the two.
Guess we've been on different posts/bases, then. ALMOST every base I have been on have co-located the two.
I suspect you are mixing up the Class VI and the Express. Both sell alcohol at the same prices, but serve very different purposes. The Class VI is virtually exclusively a liquor store. The Express is a convenience store (and used to be branded as "the Shoppette").
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The only base I can recall the two being separate was Lowry AFB. If the two are differennt things now, then none of the bases I've visited in the last 15-or-more years have Class VI.
The name is a technicality, though, and irrelevant. On base/post, you get your alcoholic beverages at the same place you purchase fuel for your vehicles.
What has that to do with Sears? AFAIK Sears does not sell alcohol for consumption, and any alcohol products are poison intended for internal combustion engines.