Sonora Rebel
Regular Member
She had the pistol in a holster on her hip... drew it on the cops and refused commands to drop it. http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/pol...cle_dc4e8ace-d08a-11e2-806d-0019bb2963f4.html
I'm not saying she should have been shot there's always other ways to handle a situation. But some officers are trigger happy. I would look at all options before shooting someone.
Shame they couldn't taser her just to not let her have her way.
Am I freaking hallucinating? A subject has a drawn handgun in the low ready position, refuses several orders by uniformed police to drop it, and conandan would look for "other ways to handle a situation".
That kind of naive thinking is how good (but stupid) people end up dead!
A police officer shooting someone with a drawn weapon who ignores orders to drop it is not being 'trigger happy".
Am I freaking hallucinating? A subject has a drawn handgun in the low ready position, refuses several orders by uniformed police to drop it, and conandan would look for "other ways to handle a situation".
That kind of naive thinking is how good (but stupid) people end up dead!
A police officer shooting someone with a drawn weapon who ignores orders to drop it is not being 'trigger happy".
My reasoning for looking for another way was the fact an innocent man next to her. Who by the way got shot and fortunately survived. To many times when police fire on a suspect innocent people get shot as well.
This was NOT a OC incident it was a clear suicide incident. Best way to get police to shoot you = point a firearm at them. Only way a taser could have been (possibly) deployed would have been at distance via xrep shotgun round which most patrol units do not carry and has a maximum range of only 100 feet. This is still too much distance to close should round not be effective before woman could fire on police or others. Standard tasers maximum range is 35 feet (awful close to engage a pistol pointing person). With the information we have at this time it appears police had little choice here.
[video=youtube;aBYtUCSJAmw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYtUCSJAmw[/video]
Not to defend the cops here, but I will guarantee you that, should you point a weapon at this old, non-LEO type, I will take the appropriate action.
None of us were there, none of us know the distances involved, and none of us know whether or not the cops had any other viable options. Personal opinion: This looks, from the available information, very much like another "suicide by cop". No, Joanie, I do not buy into your particular theory.
Ya think that maybe when he saw police directing their attention his way, then they drew their guns, then they were shouting his way, and maybe he saw the woman next to him draw her gun, that he'd have the sense god gave a kumquat and at least dive for the ground.conandan said:Using a taser or at least give the man next to her the opportunity to clear the line of fire.
If you're referring to pkbites, you're completely wrong.conandan said:You are ignorant, obviously untrained, and I am thankful you are not a cop.
I wouldn't want someone with this hippy mentality backing me up.
I didn't see anywhere in the linked news report where distance was mentioned, if I missed could you point it out? The officers were justified, but then also if they were at a greater distance the first concern should be cover, they must not teach that in the academy anymore. If someone is suicidal they usually are not trying to kill a cop, stalling if possible, is the best option. Nobody knows but the officers or the deceased whether it was possible.
f you're referring to pkbites, you're completely wrong.
This falls under the "greater danger theory" in that it is more dangerous not to act than to act. Under your way everybody could have eventually ended up dead, shot by that woman.
Officers arrived, observed a woman draw a firearm and begin to raise it up, gave her orders to drop it, she would not comply. There wasn't time to sit back, stoke up a doobie, sing kumbaya, and collectively think out a "better way, per citizen conandan."
You are ignorant, obviously untrained, and I am thankful you are not a cop. I wouldn't want someone with this hippy mentality backing me up. There was an uncompliant subject projecting a lethal threat, and it needed to be stopped. The end!
You are ignorant, obviously untrained, and I am thankful you are not a cop. I wouldn't want someone with this hippy mentality backing me up.
Attacking me and passing judgement like this tells me a lot about you...
You are entitled to your opinion, keep in mind neither one of us were there. If thinking their are other options to keep innocent people from being shot as well is having a hippie mentality, well.. say what you want.
I never said the leos were wrong.
You point a weapon at a cop you will get shoot. If she said she would hurt herself or others the police have to check it out. I'm not saying she should have been shot there's always other ways to handle a situation. But some officers are trigger happy. I would look at all options before shooting someone.