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School being held liable for their inactions which resulted in school shooting.

Tucker6900

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I think it was a systemic failure that allowed the Oxford shooting to happen. The parents are (rightfully so) being charged. If the school informs the parents of their concerns and nothing is done, then I believe the school should have. There are a lot of crappy parents out there and quite often the schools get involved. Whether its poverty, mental/physical abuse, hunger, or sickness, schools in the past have gotten involved.

The school failed the victims of this tragedy. Based on news reports, there were several warnings given by this kid weeks before the shooting. Especially the twitter post the night before.

The principal, counselor, and teachers knew the threats. I believe they are responsible, both in a civil manner as well as a criminal.
 

jmmemoli

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There has been a movement titled, "Breaking the school to prison pipeline," active in schools for over a decade now. The focus is on NOT reporting crimes committed on school grounds to law enforcement. School systems like this, because they don't have to report violent events in schools. Law enforcement is cooperating with this. Students who are obvious dangers and criminals are not being referred to LE or prosecuted, resulting in 18 year-olds (whom everybody knows is a threat) having a clean criminal record, and being able to buy a rifle.

I know this is not the case in this particular school shooting, but not reporting threatening students is par for the course today. Additionally, that is EXACTLY what happened to lead to the Stoneman Douglas school shooting.

I'm not just spreading rumors. I've been in the staff development sessions. It's active in your schools. The administration and LE talk tough about keeping your kids safe, but they're happy to sacrifice them for political ends.
 

solus

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There has been a movement titled, "Breaking the school to prison pipeline," active in schools for over a decade now. The focus is on NOT reporting crimes committed on school grounds to law enforcement. School systems like this, because they don't have to report violent events in schools. Law enforcement is cooperating with this. Students who are obvious dangers and criminals are not being referred to LE or prosecuted, resulting in 18 year-olds (whom everybody knows is a threat) having a clean criminal record, and being able to buy a rifle.

I know this is not the case in this particular school shooting, but not reporting threatening students is par for the course today. Additionally, that is EXACTLY what happened to lead to the Stoneman Douglas school shooting.

I'm not just spreading rumors
. I've been in the staff development sessions. It's active in your schools. The administration and LE talk tough about keeping your kids safe, but they're happy to sacrifice them for political ends.

jmmemoli, et al., let's quantify a few things from your post....\
1. "Students who are obvious dangers and criminals..."
so sally & larry community educator is now mandated to make a judicial determination based strictly on their redd'n/wright'n/add'n educational background regarding which of their students are "obvious dangers" & are "criminals" out their entire student body?

2. "...(whom everybody knows is a threat)..."
the concept that "EVERYBODY KNOWS" 18 year old(s) within an academic environment are a threat is a blatant fallacious argument lacking any conception of being reality.\

3. "I know this is not the case in this particular school shooting,..."
If you are aware the information you are spewing is not germane to the thread's premise...why contribute misinformation?

4. "that is EXACTLY what happened to lead to the Stoneman Douglas school shooting."
Seems the FL Governor's commission report [ http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MSDHS/CommissionReport.pdf ] doesn't seem to mention anything about your purported concept(s).

let's review, Cruz was in special need educational system due to diag'd mental health issues. then at 16 he was 'mainstreamed into HS without any of his diag'd special needs being met which caused him to have 'outbursts' which resulted in his being suspended from school at 18.

a few months prior to the shooting event Cruz's mother passed and he an his brother were living with 'family' friends. so a mentally challenged individual has been mainstreamed into public school, thrown out of said school, had his singular caregiver pass, living out of suitcase...

finally, the movement which you referenced at the beginning of your post is from the Praxis Project ~~ The Praxis Project is a national movement support intermediary committed to capacity building for social change who published a non researched singular article pushing their perception in 2019, titled

BREAKING THE SCHOOL TO PRISON-DEPORTATION PIPELINE THROUGH RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
while you unequivocally stated: "I'm not just spreading rumors" & "It's active in your schools" ~~ sorry, yes you are spreading hyperbole w/o any type of research to substantiation.
 

Doug_Nightmare

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Thanks for the consciousness raising.

The durable president of my school board, the smallest school district in the state, of ~80 K-12 and specializing in special needs, is also a Universalist Unitarian (a.k.a. ecumenist) and noted physicist. For his physics background we speak often and I have served on some of his special interest committees.

He has brought up the topic, though not the title, in regards to an ‘immigrant’ foster family with particular legal challenges, two of three of the males are under legal supervision, one is incarcerated. Two of the three females are under psychiatric supervision. The arrival of this family some years ago caused a spike in our county police services demand.

Beyond the problem children, we have as many notable successes with difficult Autists and differently odd children.

Thanks for your note. There is plenty of documentation of the title returned with a search by an unbiased search engine, one document I noted dated 2008.
 
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