Cville OC (Charlottesville)

[Marco]

Too many places to list since my last posting... no stares, screams or visible issues.

 

[Marco]

Too many places to list since my last posting.... but no negative incidents.

I did spot another person OC'ing yesterday while having dinner.
He was a 25ish,WM, wearing a ball cap, t-shirt and jeans getting take out from Guadalajara on Greenbier drive.

 

[Marco]

Nothing new to report, still no issues in and around the area.

 

[ron73440]

Nothing new to report, still no issues in and around the area.

Just wanted to say, that quote from Korwin is phenomenal.

 

[Marco]

Thanks, I read it in gun magazine article which he authored.

Still OC'ing 99.9% of the time, with no issues. Which surprises me since Charlottesville has a newish police chief and she's from Philly.

 

[Barros Serrano]

I live near Cville and can think of only one reason I'd need to be carrying my pistol in town: the appearance of more white-right nuts such as those who created the mayhem 2 years ago. I mean they might not like my looks or something and decide I need to be run over with a car or beaten by a mob.

I have a concealed carry permit and prefer to carry that way simply to avoid bothering anyone. Cville is jumpy due to the Nazi invasion and who needs the aggravation?

I have a friend in Appomattox who open-carries regularly and reports that he is regularly chastised by civilians in public for showing his weapon openly. It never goes beyond that, as he simply states, this is my right, don't worry about it.

As for UVA... WHY would I want to carry a gun openly there? The obvious result will be consternation on the part of students who are rightly fearful of a gun attack on campus. I think those parading their weapon on campus are simply looking for a confrontation for less than noble purpose.

 

[color of law]

I live near Cville and can think of only one reason I'd need to be carrying my pistol in town: the appearance of more white-right nuts such as those who created the mayhem 2 years ago. I mean they might not like my looks or something and decide I need to be run over with a car or beaten by a mob.

I have a concealed carry permit and prefer to carry that way simply to avoid bothering anyone. Cville is jumpy due to the Nazi invasion and who needs the aggravation?

I have a friend in Appomattox who open-carries regularly and reports that he is regularly chastised by civilians in public for showing his weapon openly. It never goes beyond that, as he simply states, this is my right, don't worry about it.

As for UVA... WHY would I want to carry a gun openly there? The obvious result will be consternation on the part of students who are rightly fearful of a gun attack on campus. I think those parading their weapon on campus are simply looking for a confrontation for less than noble purpose.

Interesting post. You just joined an open carry forum and then proclaim you promote and carry concealed. Lead balloons don't fly. It also appears you don't believe you should exercise your rights in fear of hurting someone's feelings. Go along to get along. And college "students who are rightly fearful of a gun attack" should, in effect, be coddled. Failing to prepare for the real world.

I'm curious how others will view your post.

 

[Barros Serrano]

Interesting post. You just joined an open carry forum and then proclaim you promote and carry concealed. Lead balloons don't fly. It also appears you don't believe you should exercise your rights in fear of hurting someone's feelings. Go along to get along. And college "students who are rightly fearful of a gun attack" should, in effect, be coddled. Failing to prepare for the real world.

I'm curious how others will view your post.

You entirely misrepresent my thinking. I do not seek to agitate people, true, but I am not opposing open carry just because I carry concealed! I've done both, after all.

You call it coddling, or fear of hurting feelings, but perhaps I'm simply being considerate! This notion that we should be toting guns everywhere to make a point is, I feel, not helping to bolster the 2nd Amendment, but to agitate people. I do not need to exercise my ego in public.

In the real world, Cville was under attack 2 years ago and the town is on edge. So excuuuuse me if I attempt not to agitate people.

If all such consideration is "going along to get along" then I suppose I should always be as rude as possible about anything political. That sort of attitude is why now in this country we can't even discuss politics, we're hopelessly polarized, and everyone is angry all the time!

Sorry if I offend you, but I do believe in civility and in addressing issues in productive rather than confrontational ways.

If you wish to open carry, by all means do so, and so will I sometimes. I do not advocate that you not, I simply said that I have no need to open carry in Cville. The only purpose of doing it would be to make a political point. I open carry when it is useful to do so.

 

[color of law]

You entirely misrepresent my thinking. I do not seek to agitate people, true, but I am not opposing open carry just because I carry concealed! I've done both, after all.

You call it coddling, or fear of hurting feelings, but perhaps I'm simply being considerate! This notion that we should be toting guns everywhere to make a point is, I feel, not helping to bolster the 2nd Amendment, but to agitate people. I do not need to exercise my ego in public.

In the real world, Cville was under attack 2 years ago and the town is on edge. So excuuuuse me if I attempt not to agitate people.

If all such consideration is "going along to get along" then I suppose I should always be as rude as possible about anything political. That sort of attitude is why now in this country we can't even discuss politics, we're hopelessly polarized, and everyone is angry all the time!

Sorry if I offend you, but I do believe in civility and in addressing issues in productive rather than confrontational ways.

If you wish to open carry, by all means do so, and so will I sometimes. I do not advocate that you not, I simply said that I have no need to open carry in Cville. The only purpose of doing it would be to make a political point. I open carry when it is useful to do so.

I didn't misrepresent your thinking, because I don't know what you were thinking. I can only interpret your writing and only comment on its projection and my perception it conveyed.

Cville was an attack 2 years ago with a car. Has Cville banned cars so not to agitate people? I think not. Remember guns fall under a right. Employing cars is a privilege.

Anti-gunners could care less about your feelings. Civility is not in their play book. They only understand confrontational ways.

Who polarized politics? The antis did. You must fight fire with fire. Coddling them only emboldens them.

Lastly, offending me, hardly. Pros have tried and have fell short.

You accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance is your gig, so be it. That position has never served me well.

 

[OC for ME]

OCing, where it is not unlawful, is a teachable moment. I suspect that most law abiding folks are rarely "offended" by those who exercise their rights openly. Those who are offended must make a choice, either ignore you are suffer the possible legal consequences of confronting another law abiding citizen where their confronting is unlawful.

OC and stay safe.

 

[solus]

You entirely misrepresent my thinking.

snippp

If you wish to open carry, by all means do so, and so will I sometimes. I do not advocate that you not, I simply said that I have no need to open carry in Cville. The only purpose of doing it would be to make a political point. I open carry when it is useful to do so.

sorry...I open carry extensively ~ w/o incident for my personal & loved ones‘ SD not to make a political statement or to appease nor cause dismay in another citizen.

so WVA is your home right ? ~ yepper OC in the state regularly.

 

[ineedshoes]

I live near Cville and can think of only one reason I'd need to be carrying my pistol in town: the appearance of more white-right nuts such as those who created the mayhem 2 years ago. I mean they might not like my looks or something and decide I need to be run over with a car or beaten by a mob.

I have a concealed carry permit and prefer to carry that way simply to avoid bothering anyone. Cville is jumpy due to the Nazi invasion and who needs the aggravation?

I have a friend in Appomattox who open-carries regularly and reports that he is regularly chastised by civilians in public for showing his weapon openly. It never goes beyond that, as he simply states, this is my right, don't worry about it.

As for UVA... WHY would I want to carry a gun openly there? The obvious result will be consternation on the part of students who are rightly fearful of a gun attack on campus. I think those parading their weapon on campus are simply looking for a confrontation for less than noble purpose.

Have you considered requesting that uniformed police officers carry concealed so as to not alarm anyone or draw consternation? If not, why not? "Because they are the police" would not be a thoughtful answer.

Perhaps consider that the troublemakers felt like they could "safely" cause trouble in C'ville because so many of the people are harmless.

 

[Barros Serrano]

I didn't misrepresent your thinking, because I don't know what you were thinking. I can only interpret your writing and only comment on its projection and my perception it conveyed.

Cville was an attack 2 years ago with a car. Has Cville banned cars so not to agitate people? I think not. Remember guns fall under a right. Employing cars is a privilege.

Anti-gunners could care less about your feelings. Civility is not in their play book. They only understand confrontational ways.

Who polarized politics? The antis did. You must fight fire with fire. Coddling them only emboldens them.

Lastly, offending me, hardly. Pros have tried and have fell short.

You accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance is your gig, so be it. That position has never served me well.

I advocate banning neither guns nor cars, so I don't get what you're saying.

Civility? I am advocating that WE be civil! And I wasn't referring to the car attack, but to the mob which marched on the UVA campus with Tiki torches chanting Nazi slogans and intimidating everyone in sight. What I'm saying is that if I walk onto campus with an open gun, many will assume it's the white right (since they'll see me as "white") there to create mayhem. Do we want to make our point at any cost, or would we be better off trying to persuade people?

And you misrepresent me as engaging in no active response. I am one of the first to speak up on any issue, I'm not at all shy about that. What I do, however, is attempt to keep rational conversation going, rather than simply feed the polarization.

Regarding UVA, I'd suggest that if we want to communicate to them that exercising 2nd amendment rights is a good thing, then do it as some sort of presentation, use argumentation and facts. I'll tell you, if I'm in Charlottesville and see a gun, especially a long gun, I'm going to be apprehensive until I know what the carrier is up to. How do I know he's not about to open fire on random people? Realistically that is an expectation these days. Some gun rights advocates in TX a while back walked into a Wendy's carrying Bushmasters, and likely half the customers there crapped themselves. Did that help the cause? I doubt it.

See, I'm not catering to people who disagree, I'm advocating EFFECTIVE actions rather than ones which create negative reactions.

 

[OC for ME]

How do we present argumentation and facts when not being seen as a law abiding citizen exercising his 2A within the confines of the law...if campus carry is lawful that is...LG OC is not routine because it is uncomfortable and cumbersome...not because it is a affront to snowflake sensibilities.

As to the Texas LG OC efforts; that was by law the only OC available to Texans and their LG OC was effective now that they can OC a properly holstered handgun...though via a permit. I suspect that LG OC in Texas has been greatly reduced as a result of permit OC. Cops in Texas now infringe upon handgun OCing Texans...no change in their behavior. In fact, the owners of OCDO were explicit in their exemption to their rule on no LG discussions for Texas LG OC discussions.

Were the "mob" on the UVA campus OCing properly holstered handguns? If not then the 2A is not a component of that situation.

Do not conflate what Texans did with what occurred on the UVA campus...this diminishes the good works that Texans did and is, frankly, a insult to their significant efforts to get all Texans some measure of rights restoration.

ETC: Corrected poor grammar and spelling.

 

[Barros Serrano]

How do we present argumentation and facts when not being seen as a law abiding citizen exercising his 2A within the confines of the law...if campus carry is lawful that is...LG OC is not routine because it is uncomfortable and cumbersome...not because it is a affront to snowflake sensibilities.

As to the Texas LG OC efforts; that was by law the only OC available to Texans and their LG OC was effective now that they can OC a properly holstered handgun...though via a permit. I suspect that LG OC in Texas has been greatly reduced as a result of permit OC. Cops in Texas now infringe upon handgun OCing Texans...no change in their behavior. In fact, the owners of OCDO were explicit in their exemption to their rule on no LG discussions for Texas LG OC discussions.

Were the "mob" on the UVA campus OCing properly holstered handguns? If not then the 2A is not a component of that situation.

Do not conflate what Texans did with what occurred on the UVA campus...this diminishes the good works that Texans did and is, frankly, a insult to their significant efforts to get all Texans some measure of rights restoration.

ETC: Corrected poor grammar and spelling.

I agree the TX action was not comparable to the white-rights in Cville. I also agree that cops should not be messing with people if OC is legal there and there person therefore is in conformity with the law.

I'm not entirely opposed to bringing gun rights message to UVA, I was reacting to the notion of multiple people suddenly showing up on campus with visible firearms. Not that it's wrong or illegal, but it will create a negative reaction and outrage people... so why do it when there are better ways to reach them?

No, the mob at UVA did not have guns, likely fully aware how the cops would react to that, even far worse than they react to non-Nazis whether OC or CC.

I usually do not show the gun, don't let it be visible in the car, and so on. If I were stopped I'd go through the routine, "Officer there is a gun in the car and I have a CC permit." Hasn't happened yet. I generally only travel in states which recognize VA's CC permit. I open carry at my destinations, usually outdoor spots, in the country, ranch land and so on. Cville has been peaceful and if it's not I'll OC there perhaps.

There are various aspects of the pro-gun side with which I agree: OC, CC, right to own guns. I am going to deviate from your thinking probably in supporting enhanced and universal background checks, given the fact we've seen that a number of mass shooters were known to the Police and would have been flagged. I'd like to see this worked out to produce a minimum of erroneous flags, bureaucratic abuse, etc.

I'd also like to see society less dangerous, so that I don't feel sometimes that I ought to have a gun with me. I think stoking the fear anywhere is not a good tactic.

 

[SuperDad]

Hello everyone. Just wanted to let everybody know I'm still alive and kicking.

Retired and bought a place and lots of acreage on the side of the mountain on Greene/Madison County lines. No internet, cable tv, and spotty phone service, unless I walk up the Mountain a few hundred yards. Basically living my dream.

Still OC, however I rarely venture south of Ruckersville area, and don't go there very often. Wife calls me a Grizzly Adams (remember him?) as I spend my days in the woods improving the property (tree stands, shooting lanes, trails, etc.) Mostly sport a LG on the property for larger critters that are plentiful.

Y'all be safe and keep up the good work supporting 2A efforts.

 

[Marco]

Even with all the non sense we are seeing I'm still OC'ing.
No issues in and around the C'ville/Harrisonburg/Greene/Madison/Culpeper area.