OC Freedom
Regular Member
A county will contain a sheriff dept. and if the county has a big enough town it will have a police dept. contained within its boundaries, so what are you afraid of. your identity will remain secret. No games here.
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WA state sheriff deputy "We have a lot of Constitutionalists" to justify MRAP use.
- Thread starter SovereigntyOrDeath
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A county will contain a sheriff dept. and if the county has a big enough town it will have a police dept. contained within its boundaries, so what are you afraid of. your identity will remain secret. No games here.
The ban hammer is strong on that one! :lol:
OC for ME
Regular Member
If the injured in the North Hollywood are to be counted, then at least once. I have yet to find any instance that a armored vehicle mitigated deaths or injuries to innocent civilians. Though, these vehicles protect cops from very violent criminals who would, it is argued, likely harm innocent civilians. So, if we accept this premise then these vehicles do in fact protect the public, by protecting cops.
I'm not anti-MRAP for LE, I'm just not convinced that these vehicles are as needed as LE claims they are. I suspect that the proliferation of SWAT has enabled the proliferation of MRAPs in LE.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
I watched the North Hollywood shootout and saw no hostages rescued by MRAP, did not see any at all. What I did see was firetrucks used for traffic and cover. I have no problem with firetrucks, or the federal government funding firetrucks.
Maybe Stan could provide us with that footage...
Maybe Stan could provide us with that footage...
http://miamivice.wikia.com/wiki/Stan_Switek
"Stanley "Stan" Switek (played by Michael Talbott, b. 1955) is a Detective of the Metro-Dade Police Department and an undercover detective in the Organized Crime Bureau, Vice Division. Switek is a laid-back, wanna-be comedian who doesn't take life seriously, but does take his police work seriously. He is an expert in surveillance of all kinds, but also has a secret gambling addiction that he was working on. Switek performed surveillance duties with Larry Zito in their "Bug Van". "
Sounds about right.
OC Freedom
Regular Member
North Hollywood shootout of 1997/98 or is it another one?
OC Freedom
Regular Member
I never watched the show, thanks for the heads up.
Oldmountainman
New member
Stan I just noticed I forgot to thank you for your service as a LEO !!!!
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
We don't know, he will not provide links or video to back up his claims. The North Hollywood is the only shootout I am aware of in that time period in Southern California.
StanSwitek
Banned
It is always interesting when one gives an rational explanation and informed response to some of the irrational comments and conspiracy theories that were in the very early stages of this thread on MRAPS. You ask for an example to justify my opinion. The examples and case studies are never good enough. You always want more examples then you pick those apart with your convoluted paranoid analysis. This is quite common on the Internet and on social media. One can quickly discern the rational from the irrational. The irrational usually expose themselves rather quickly which is what exactly happened here. The paranoia became apparent in very short order. People start Goggling me in an attempt to learn my identity as some clearly tried (and failed.) Complete paranoia.
Undoubtedly if I was on the job and happened to strike up a casual conversation with you over the type of gun your were openly carrying (hey, I like guns) you would undoubtedly feel threatened and become defensive. I can usually spot you right away. Sometimes it's fun as I'm walking by with my cup of fresh coffee to say, "Nice Kimber" and watch your body language as the paranoia kicks in. Of course the non paranoid say "thank you" and sometimes engage in in further conversation. I welcome that. I like people. Which one you are becomes obvious immediately. Actually, I don't even have to say anything. The paranoids just have a certain way of looking at you. I'm sure this will set you paranoids off.
I truly feel sad for the deranged individuals that think there is some grand conspiracy to oppress them. If you feel so strongly, run for public office or become involved in law enforcement and make a difference. Go to law school. Become a lawyer or a judge. Of course these types always have the same old tired excuses why they chose not to. They would rather sit in front of their computer all day posting about how "the man" or the government is always keeping them down. Good luck with that. To the rational members, I hope our paths cross in the future and we have the opportunity to share a cup of good coffee and good conversation. Maybe we can even compare notes on what we are carrying.
Undoubtedly if I was on the job and happened to strike up a casual conversation with you over the type of gun your were openly carrying (hey, I like guns) you would undoubtedly feel threatened and become defensive. I can usually spot you right away. Sometimes it's fun as I'm walking by with my cup of fresh coffee to say, "Nice Kimber" and watch your body language as the paranoia kicks in. Of course the non paranoid say "thank you" and sometimes engage in in further conversation. I welcome that. I like people. Which one you are becomes obvious immediately. Actually, I don't even have to say anything. The paranoids just have a certain way of looking at you. I'm sure this will set you paranoids off.
I truly feel sad for the deranged individuals that think there is some grand conspiracy to oppress them. If you feel so strongly, run for public office or become involved in law enforcement and make a difference. Go to law school. Become a lawyer or a judge. Of course these types always have the same old tired excuses why they chose not to. They would rather sit in front of their computer all day posting about how "the man" or the government is always keeping them down. Good luck with that. To the rational members, I hope our paths cross in the future and we have the opportunity to share a cup of good coffee and good conversation. Maybe we can even compare notes on what we are carrying.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
That's a long commute from Idaho to Miami Fl.
OC Freedom
Regular Member
It is always interesting when one gives an rational explanation and informed response to some of the irrational comments and conspiracy theories that were in the very early stages of this thread on MRAPS. You ask for an example to justify my opinion. The examples and case studies are never good enough. You always want more examples then you pick those apart with your convoluted paranoid analysis. This is quite common on the Internet and on social media. One can quickly discern the rational from the irrational. The irrational usually expose themselves rather quickly which is what exactly happened here. The paranoia became apparent in very short order. People start Goggling me in an attempt to learn my identity as some clearly tried (and failed.) Complete paranoia.
Undoubtedly if I was on the job and happened to strike up a casual conversation with you over the type of gun your were openly carrying (hey, I like guns) you would undoubtedly feel threatened and become defensive. I can usually spot you right away. Sometimes it's fun as I'm walking by with my cup of fresh coffee to say, "Nice Kimber" and watch your body language as the paranoia kicks in. Of course the non paranoid say "thank you" and sometimes engage in in further conversation. I welcome that. I like people. Which one you are becomes obvious immediately. Actually, I don't even have to say anything. The paranoids just have a certain way of looking at you. I'm sure this will set you paranoids off.
I truly feel sad for the deranged individuals that think there is some grand conspiracy to oppress them. If you feel so strongly, run for public office or become involved in law enforcement and make a difference. Go to law school. Become a lawyer or a judge. Of course these types always have the same old tired excuses why they chose not to. They would rather sit in front of their computer all day posting about how "the man" or the government is always keeping them down. Good luck with that. To the rational members, I hope our paths cross in the future and we have the opportunity to share a cup of good coffee and good conversation. Maybe we can even compare notes on what we are carrying.
Don't talk to the police. \/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
OC Freedom
Regular Member
:lol:
OC Freedom
Regular Member
Stan, would you tell me what state you work in? I know it's scary, but I think you can muster up some sand and at least tell us that.
It is always interesting when one gives an rational explanation and informed response to some of the irrational comments and conspiracy theories that were in the very early stages of this thread on MRAPS. This is quite common on the Internet and on social media. One can quickly discern the rational from the irrational. The irrational usually expose themselves rather quickly which is what exactly happened here. The paranoia became apparent in very short order. People start Goggling me in an attempt to learn my identity as some clearly tried (and failed.) Complete paranoia.
Undoubtedly if I was on the job and happened to strike up a casual conversation with you over the type of gun your were openly carrying (hey, I like guns) you would undoubtedly feel threatened and become defensive. I can usually spot you right away. Sometimes it's fun as I'm walking by with my cup of fresh coffee to say, "Nice Kimber" and watch your body language as the paranoia kicks in. Of course the non paranoid say "thank you" and sometimes engage in in further conversation. I welcome that. I like people. Which one you are becomes obvious immediately. Actually, I don't even have to say anything. The paranoids just have a certain way of looking at you. I'm sure this will set you paranoids off.
I truly feel sad for the deranged individuals that think there is some grand conspiracy to oppress them. If you feel so strongly, run for public office or become involved in law enforcement and make a difference. Go to law school. Become a lawyer or a judge. Of course these types always have the same old tired excuses why they chose not to. They would rather sit in front of their computer all day posting about how "the man" or the government is always keeping them down. Good luck with that. To the rational members, I hope our paths cross in the future and we have the opportunity to share a cup of good coffee and good conversation. Maybe we can even compare notes on what we are carrying.
Hmm... so anyone who cross-examines you upon meeting you is paranoid. Interesting! It seems your original avatar was not just an avatar but an actual philosophy. Your username is very fitting in ways that are emboldened in my post above. You're being questioned because of what you have openly communicated, not because of your profession. Get a clue.
It is apparent your reason for posting here is not to share commonalities with other gun rights activists. There are provocateurs on both sides of statism. They range from you to Primus on one end of the spectrum all the way over to a poster like State Hater on the other side of the spectrum. Your philosophies may differ entirely but your motives for posting appear to be more similar than different.
As for "Goggling" your name, it was apparent that some did not know where the name came from. You'll soon learn that a cite to authority is required on this forum for any claims made. It's not like traffic court where you can BS your way through a case. What's easier, "Goggling" the name and copy+pasting a cite or taking time to explain in my own words?
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
I too missed that part.
Who, exactly, are cops going to be needing these for protection against? Traffic stops are the single most dangerous activity police perform, but I think the notion of MRAPs performing traffic stops is its own reductio ad absurdum.
So, what does that leave us? SWAT raids? And how many of those are really necessary? Not necessary as in, "we get to put on the battle rattle and that's 'better than sex'", but needed to resolve a potentially dangerous situation? Most "dynamic entry"-style home invasions are performed to service drug warrants, and I believe the next biggest use is serving arrest warrants. Neither of these require military tactics in the vast majority of instances, and both are in dire need of systemic procedural reform.
(In fact, I've noted before that when it's just two-bit weed dealers with Saturday Night Special .22s, the police love to act all tough and put on the battle rattle and perform a raid. But when it's time to arrest someone genuinely dangerous like "Whitey" Bulger, they lure him outside with a delivery and arrest him quietly.)
None of this seems designed to keep our neighborhoods safe, or even officers other than in the most twisted sense. Sort of like
So what does that leave? Hostage situations? Still waiting for evidence that police actually, in real life, ever perform elite tactical hostage situation resolution of the sort which might fathomably benefit from the presence of an MRAP.
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Just what we need... Another costumed post-adolescent.
That's supposed to be capitalized: POST adolescent.
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utbagpiper
Banned
Not your place to dictate to me on this matter.
In the first place, I recognize the difference between a vocal, disaffected minority, and an actual majority.
Secondly, for you to make an appeal to majority is truly ironic and funny.
Verbosity, of itself, should be no more offensive to anyone than would be bumper sticker sniping drive bys. This is a discussion board, not a twitter account. Discussions among mature adults happen in more than 144 characters at a time. So some--who complain about brain-dead, ignorant sheep--might consider putting down their phones and getting a real monitor and keyboard to see if they can actually engage in thoughtful discussion.
And pretty pathetic that I can out credential anyone half as vocal and cocksure as you seem to be. I feel like I don't do nearly what I should to effect as much change, as quickly as I'd like to see it. But with a job, a family to raise, a marriage to foster, church responsibilities, etc, there is only so much time to carve out for politics. Anyone being out done much by my pathetic efforts really might consider on what they are really doing to help.
Charles
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Myself I prefer direct to the point conversation. Never have liked long winded political speeches. Only speak for myself, others may love them.
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
I don't know why the effort is even made anymore. Without painting with a broad brush, many of the cops that bother to give their opinions are very happy with the militarization of the police. They seem to have this ridiculously inflated ego swinging around their big stick and looking at the people as either puny weak sycophants (good citizens) or those that are not (enemy citizens). Those who would want normal citizens to have the same 2A rights as the cops are "gun nuts". It's not worth messing with any more.
of the cops that bother to give their opinions are very happy with the militarization of the police. They seem to have this ridiculously inflated ego swinging around their big stick and looking at the people as either puny weak sycophants (good citizens) or those that are not (enemy citizens). Those who would want normal citizens to have the same 2A rights as the cops are "gun nuts". It's not worth messing with any more.