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WA state sheriff deputy "We have a lot of Constitutionalists" to justify MRAP use.

StanSwitek

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Stan , I would like to join in with Charles with welcoming you to this site ! Your input is much appreciated . We need more like you and Charles posting on this site ! There are too many on here that will hurt the cause more than help it !!! Again welcome STAN !!

Thank you sir. Much appreciated. Every group has members who do a grave disservice. That includes every profession, Internet group etc. People need to realize that law enforcement sopports their gun rights. Sure, not every cop sees it that way but the vast majority of police officers are very strong supporters of the second amendment.
 

MAC702

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Back to the OP, an MRAP costs the government $500,000. That's a half-million of our tax dollars. If these vehicles are still serviceable, how is it that they are being "surplused?" Are our overseas bases so full of ready-to-go equipment that we have no room for these? What was the transportation cost to bring it back to "surplus" it?

Regardless of if they are being "donated" to local police, what are the maintenance costs and training required for these vehicles that are being spread out so that this maintenance and training has to take place nearly everywhere for just one vehicle at each place? What is the cost to convert it to police use, or was it just a paint job?

Lastly, I don't think an MRAP is enough. Our police deserve the best protection. Why do they not have tanks? These would actually be able to do something against a guy in a Hollywood standoff.
 
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The Truth

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Seen lots of keyboard commandos like you. Not impressed in the least.

I have no problem responding to questions and will do so honestly. Unfortunately there seem to be people here that will try to misconstrue my answers and infer something nefarious when nothing of the sort is implied or intended.

So far I only see one keyboard commando on this thread - a new poster who has done nothing but perpetuated a false dichotomy of "us vs. them" while giving little to no insight into what type of gun rights activist he wishes to represent, or what he has actually done except put on a proverbial costume and pretend.

You were called out on your ridiculous avatar and have since changed it to reflect your actual childish mindset. You have still not explicitly answered whether or not you would enforce unconsititutional laws, instead you have implied that you would do so based on certain comments and attitudes. All I have to go on is what you choose to communicate. Exclusions are noted.
 

StanSwitek

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Back to the OP, an MRAP costs the government $500,000. That's a half-million of our tax dollars. If these vehicles are still serviceable, how is it that they are being "surplused?" Are our overseas bases so full of ready-to-go equipment that we have no room for these? What was the transportation cost to bring it back to "surplus" it?

Regardless of if they are being "donated" to local police, what are the maintenance costs and training required for these vehicles that are being spread out so that this maintenance and training has to take place nearly everywhere for just one vehicle at each place? What is the cost to convert it to police use, or was it just a paint job?

Lastly, I don't think an MRAP is enough. Our police deserve the best protection. Why do they not have tanks? These would actually be able to do something against a guy in a Hollywood standoff.

Shouldn't you be reporting me to a moderator? <snicker>
 

StanSwitek

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So far I only see one keyboard commando on this thread - a new poster who has done nothing but perpetuated a false dichotomy of "us vs. them" while giving little to no insight into what type of gun rights activist he wishes to represent, or what he has actually done except put on a proverbial costume and pretend.

You were called out on your ridiculous avatar and have since changed it to reflect your actual childish mindset. You have still not explicitly answered whether or not you would enforce unconsititutional laws, instead you have implied that you would do so based on certain comments and attitudes. All I have to go on is what you choose to communicate. Exclusions are noted.
And you sir are what I would classify an angry gun nut. So touche'! Not to be confused with a responsible pro gun owner/enthusiast.
 
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OC Freedom

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1. Treasure Valley is not my jurisdiction.
2. Open carry is legal in Idaho. A concealed weapons license is not required for open carry.

Absent legal probable cause, I have no reason bother any one who wishes to OC.


Thanks for your reply. Star, Idaho is in the Treasure Valley
 

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And you sir are what I would classify as a kook. So touche'!
And you sir are what I would classify an angry gun nut. So touche'!

Well which one is it?

I suggest you take a long look at this: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

Be sure to note #6.

This forum is well enough moderated that there is no need to report you to anyone. If your post is public it's already been seen by the necessary eyes.

Perhaps you are not very pro-liberty and are instead just a guy with a special interest who likes guns.
 
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StanSwitek

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Well which one is it?

I suggest you take a long look at this: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

Be sure to note #6.

This forum is well enough moderated that there is no need to report you to anyone. If your post is public it's already been seen by the necessary eyes.

Perhaps you are not very pro-liberty and are instead just a guy with a special interest who likes guns.

Yeah, whatever broski......
 

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If it was used to successfully rescue close friends or family I suspect you may have a different view. You seem intent on arguing the issue. I will tell you simply it is public safety tool.
Provide the proof (examples) to support your contention, the North Hollywood incident is essentially a one-off incident, I have not found any evidence of armored vehicles being used in such a manner since that incident, don't mean that they were not. A Google search returns many results of these vehicles being used to protect cops...protecting the public, not a incident yet.
If used improperly, it will be taken away. Armored vehicles have been around in law enforcement for over 50 years. If your local PD was intent on oppressing the public, they would have an entire fleet, not one of two.
Police dogs are routinely "used" improperly yet they remain in service (see the thread re the woman accidentally shot by a cop defending himself from a dog) almost without exception, your contention "it will be taken away" is without merit. If they won't take dogs out of service do you really believe that a inanimate object will be taken out of service.

Maintenance is not a red herring, some LEAs refused to take free "MRAPs" cuz they couldn't afford to keep them, even though they would be used very minimally. It is a valid point that mutual cooperation be a option. Smaller LEAs get the benefit of a larger LEAs resources.

I'm not sure why you think that I contend that LEAs have these vehicles to oppress the citizenry. I agreed, earlier, that I have no issue with LEAs having them. In times of civil unrest these vehicles are essential to provide cops the tools they need to manage civil unrest while attempting to respect rights and not violate the law. It is a no win situation for cops some times and cops, as well, are not to be held harmless in all cases.
 

marshaul

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Provide the proof (examples) to support your contention, the North Hollywood incident is essentially a one-off incident, I have not found any evidence of armored vehicles being used in such a manner since that incident, don't mean that they were not. A Google search returns many results of these vehicles being used to protect cops...protecting the public, not a incident yet.Police dogs are routinely "used" improperly yet they remain in service (see the thread re the woman accidentally shot by a cop defending himself from a dog) almost without exception, your contention "it will be taken away" is without merit. If they won't take dogs out of service do you really believe that a inanimate object will be taken out of service.

Maintenance is not a red herring, some LEAs refused to take free "MRAPs" cuz they couldn't afford to keep them, even though they would be used very minimally. It is a valid point that mutual cooperation be a option. Smaller LEAs get the benefit of a larger LEAs resources.

I'm not sure why you think that I contend that LEAs have these vehicles to oppress the citizenry. I agreed, earlier, that I have no issue with LEAs having them. In times of civil unrest these vehicles are essential to provide cops the tools they need to manage civil unrest while attempting to respect rights and not violate the law. It is a no win situation for cops some times and cops, as well, are not to be held harmless in all cases.

The simple fact is that the upkeep for these toys is provided for by assert forfeiture and other forms of illegitimate profiteering. I furthermore challenge the thread's resident apologist to provide a single instance of these "tools" actually being used to rescue hostages, or any other of the absurd fantasy scenarios he has conjured to his defense.
 

The Truth

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Just what we need... Another costumed post-adolescent. :rolleyes:

:lol:

It is funny the similarities they all share.

@Miami Vice there are many many mature, experienced, intelligent LEOs that post here that are more willing to communicate. Perhaps you should learn who they are and follow their lead.
 
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