WA state sheriff deputy "We have a lot of Constitutionalists" to justify MRAP use.

OC Freedom · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
If it was used to successfully rescue close friends or family I suspect you may have a different view. You seem intent on arguing the issue. I will tell you simply it is public safety tool. If used improperly, it will be taken away. Armored vehicles have been around in law enforcement for over 50 years. If your local PD was intent on oppressing the public, they would have an entire fleet, not one of two.

Every time I hear any enforcer of the law use the words "safety" or "safety tool" it sends chills down my spine. The safety excuse is used to stomp on our liberty, and on our rights.

Judge Andrew P. Nepolitano explains it so well in the following article.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/judge-napolitano/liberty-and-safety.html

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

OC Freedom said:
Every time I hear any enforcer of the law use the words "safety" or "safety tool" it sends chills down my spine. The safety excuse is used to stomp on our liberty, and on our rights.

May I suggest a warmer jacket. Do not confuse the feds and local law enforcement. Two very different animals.

WalkingWolf · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
Listen dude, I am not going to do research for some guy who thinks it's ok for the mentally ill to own guns. We are done. Not playing your game. You have proven time and time again you are not capable of viewing the big picture.

I am not the one making the claims, YOU ARE. So since you seem unwilling to backup your claims I will take them with a grain of salt.

And would you mind explaining the "big picture" to us?

The Truth · Jan 14, 2015

utbagpiper said:
Stan,

Welcome. And my apologies for a few members who often forget that this is a pro-RKBA / pro-OpenCarry board rather than a libertarian or anarchist or police bashing board. I believe that some modest agreement on the individual right to own and carry firearms for self defense is all that is or should be required to work together on gun issues.

Please stick around, offer us your perspective and views. And try to ignore those who feel compelled to verbally beat into submission any who don't agree with them 110%. Or at least try to remain civil in any necessary responses.

I'm Charles Hardy, public policy director of GOUtah! (Gun Owners of Utah), though the majority of my posts are entirely my personal view and not necessarily reflective of any position GOUtah! may or may not hold.

Welcome.

Charles

Don't apologize for anything. Of course when a new member shows up he will be questioned about making certain comments and properly broken in. Maybe you need to realize that not everyone is a religious state worshiper and to be honest, you are a minority here and you do not speak for all of us.

Oh yeah, and what OC Freedom said.

You could out credential me all you want and I respect what you claim to have done for Utah, but I feel I can say that you still have a lot of learning to do in regards to relations with people and acceptance, also being more concise.

The Truth · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
Listen dude, I am not going engage or do research for some guy who thinks it's ok for the mentally ill to own guns. We are done. Not playing your game. You have proven time and time again you are not capable of viewing the big picture.

I see we've already gotten into the fallacy arguments this morning. Not surprising.

OC Freedom · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
May I suggest a warmer jacket. Do not confuse the feds and local law enforcement. Two very different animals.

Not so much anymore. You really should read the Judge's opinion piece on safety and freedom, when he has something to say, it's worth listening.

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

The Truth said:
Don't apologize for anything. Of course when a new member shows up he will be questioned about making certain comments and properly broken in. Maybe you need to realize that not everyone is a religious state worshiper and to be honest, you are a minority here and you do not speak for all of us.

Oh yeah, and what OC Freedom said.

You could out credential me all you want and I respect what you claim to have done for Utah, but I feel I can say that you still have a lot of learning to do in regards to relations with people and acceptance, also being more concise.

Wow. A real tough guy, LOL.

WalkingWolf · Jan 14, 2015

The Truth said:
Don't apologize for anything. Of course when a new member shows up he will be questioned about making certain comments and properly broken in. Maybe you need to realize that not everyone is a religious state worshiper and to be honest, you are a minority here and you do not speak for all of us.

Oh yeah, and what OC Freedom said.

You could out credential me all you want and I respect what you claim to have done for Utah, but I feel I can say that you still have a lot of learning to do in regards to relations with people and acceptance, also being more concise.

+1

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

OC Freedom said:
Not so much anymore. You really should read the Judge's opinion piece on safety and freedom, when he has something to say, it's worth listening.

I'm well aware of the judge. Mostly agree with him. Again, do not confuse the feds and local law enforcement.

WalkingWolf · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
May I suggest a warmer jacket. Do not confuse the feds and local law enforcement. Two very different animals.

State and Local Law Enforcement Funded by Federal “Minibus” Bill
By Blair Tinkle, General Counsel and Congressional Liaison

The minibus bill increased that figure to $1.162 billion

http://www.naag.org/state-and-local-law-enforcement-funded-by-federal-minibus-bill.php

The Truth · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
Wow. A real tough guy, LOL.

If these are the types of responses you'll resort to when you're asked uncomfortable questions I suggest maybe you head on back to policeone.com where embellishments, hyperbole, and fallacy arguments are encouraged.

As a wise member here once told me, "You aren't asking the right questions."

WalkingWolf · Jan 14, 2015

The Truth said:
If these are the types of responses you'll resort to when you're asked uncomfortable questions I suggest maybe you head on back to policeone.com where embellishments, hyperbole, and fallacy arguments are encouraged.

As a wise member here once told me, "You aren't asking the right questions."

I think we have a couple members here are confused thinking this site is PoliceOne, or USACarry.

OC Freedom · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
I'm well aware of the judge. Mostly agree with him. Again, do not confuse the feds and local law enforcement.

I fear local law enforcement more than the Feds, from real world experience of which I will not discuss here.

For example, if I needed help and at one end of the street there was a group of LEO's, and at the other end there was a group of gang members, I would feel more comfortable asking the gang members for help. My opinions based on LEO's is from experience and my longtime personal associations with them.

marshaul · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
If the Supreme Court of the United States upholds the constitutionality of a law, that's as legal as it gets. That is their job. To interpret the constitution. While I may not personally agree with every decision they make, that is the way things work in the USA.

Sorry, I'm not going to deal in vague generalities while you try to play "gotcha."

It's funny that the Constitution doesn't actually provide the SCOTUS unilateral (or, for that matter, any at all) authority to "interpret" the Constitution. That may be "the way things work", but when the SCOTUS decides contrary to the clear language of the Constitution (as they have done, and will do again) then they no longer deserve the moral or legal high ground which you so readily afford them.

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

The Truth said:
If these are the types of responses you'll resort to when you're asked uncomfortable questions I suggest maybe you head on back to policeone.com where embellishments, hyperbole, and fallacy arguments are encouraged.

As a wise member here once told me, "You aren't asking the right questions."

Seen lots of keyboard commandos like you. Not impressed in the least.

I have no problem responding to questions and will do so honestly. Unfortunately there seem to be people here that will try to misconstrue my answers and infer something nefarious when nothing of the sort is implied or intended.

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

OC Freedom said:
I fear local law enforcement more than the Feds, from real world experience of which I will not discuss here.

For example, if I needed help and at one end of the street there was a group of LEO's, and at the other end there was a group of gang members, I would feel more comfortable asking the gang members for help. My opinions based on LEO's is from experience and my longtime personal associations with them.

You are welcome to your opinion. Good luck.

WalkingWolf · Jan 14, 2015

StanSwitek said:
Seen lots of keyboard commandos like you. Not impressed in the least.

I have no problem responding to questions and will do so honestly. Unfortunately there seem to be people here that will try to misconstrue my answers and infer something nefarious when nothing of the sort is implied or intended.

Have not seen him once make a commando type post in this thread. Your claim is dishonest, as well as a keyboard tantrum.

OC Freedom · Jan 14, 2015

Stan, I have noticed from your postings on the Nevada section that you prefer CC over OC. Does this mean if you see me in the Treasure Valley open carrying my pistol that you will approach me and ask for my identification or carry license? I'm just curious on how you deal with open carriers.

Oldmountainman · Jan 14, 2015

Stan , I would like to join in with Charles with welcoming you to this site ! Your input is much appreciated . We need more like you and Charles posting on this site ! There are too many on here that will hurt the cause more than help it !!! Again welcome STAN !!

StanSwitek · Jan 14, 2015

OC Freedom said:
Stan, I have noticed from your postings on the Nevada section that you prefer CC over OC. Does this mean if you see me in the Treasure Valley open carrying my pistol that you will approach me and ask for my identification or carry license? I'm just curious on how you deal with open carriers.

1. Treasure Valley is not my jurisdiction.
2. Open carry is legal in Idaho. A concealed weapons license is not required for open carry.

Absent legal probable cause, I have no reason bother any one who wishes to OC.

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