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He can call Hi-Point directly @ 419-747-9444 or 866-948-4867. They (techs) will advise him on the best course of action be it: sending him a free replacement mag or having him send the gun in for a inspection. If they can't fix it, they will replace it with a new gun & give a free mag to cover his shipping costs. They did so for my old JS9 (full sized 9mm no longer made). They have one of the best customer service departments in the industry, if not the best. My old 9mm ran good for almost 20 years. When issues arose they rebuilt it replaced everything but the slide which they had no more of. I got a new gun basically with a new serial number. It is a tack driver now. Not bad for a $89 gun bought in early 1992.

Pat if you dont have a lot of money coming in and can buy a Hi point, go a head....a gun is better then no gun.

cjkent said:

Pat if you dont have a lot of money coming in and can buy a Hi point, go a head....a gun is better then no gun.

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I second this... if this is what you have the cash for, do it! people can be snobs all they want... some people like Glocks... some like Sigs... My wife and I prefer our SR40s to the G22... and the JCPs (.40 S&W HP pistol) I've shot have been as reliable as our 4095 carbines and our Rugers... But then again, I don't buy Tommy Hilfiger jeans, Carharts and Wranglers work just fine...

It is funny that the people who do not own a hi point bash them, yet the true owners praise them. If you get a bad one, and it happens in all firearms, you send it back. They replace it promptly for FREE, FOREVER, no matter who owns it. I think it really bugs some numpties that they spend three times as much on a gun that has more problems than a Hi Point.

Personally I have nothing against Glocks, would not own one unless given to me, but have nothing against them. I only posted negatively to upset the snobbers, and it worked. Such hypocrites.

There are several HP owners here who love their guns, and most HP owners do. It is amazing the trolls are always those who do not own one, or people who do not want low income(minorities) to own guns.

HP is a low profit, US made gun, with a lifetime no questions asked warranty that is not limited to change of owners. Not one of the other high end high profit manufacturers offer that, or could afford it.

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It is funny that the people who do not own a hi point bash them, yet the true owners praise them. If you get a bad one, and it happens in all firearms, you send it back. They replace it promptly for FREE, FOREVER, no matter who owns it. I think it really bugs some numpties that they spend three times as much on a gun that has more problems than a Hi Point.

Personally I have nothing against Glocks, would not own one unless given to me, but have nothing against them. I only posted negatively to upset the snobbers, and it worked. Such hypocrites.

There are several HP owners here who love their guns, and most HP owners do. It is amazing the trolls are always those who do not own one, or people who do not want low income(minorities) to own guns.

HP is a low profit, US made gun, with a lifetime no questions asked warranty that is not limited to change of owners. Not one of the other high end high profit manufacturers offer that, or could afford it.

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You posted a known lie without qualification as if it was factual and then assumed that anyone who would disagree with your lie was a snob. You claim it worked, but you are as much of a snob for being so deluded. In fact, maybe worse because you are blindly hypocritical. It is equal snobbery to make assumptions about people for buying a firearm you don't like, as you seem to do regularly.

I challenged your false assertion only without once saying anything bad about the Hi-Point and you implied that I was a snob, bashing Hi-Point, and a racist. That is projection and strawman rolled into one.

For the record, I've never said anything bad about the Hi-Point. Your problem is you assume a lot of incorrect points and then argue them. You'll note, not once in this entire thread did ANYONE recommend the OP go without buying a gun. Yet you claim people have. You'll also note that in the OP, he already owns a gun. Oops. You'll also note that no price point was mentioned merely that the OP was on a fixed income. It's possible that a Hi-Point is all they could afford. If so, no problem. But what the OP ACTUALLY asked was "what do you think of them". It is not wrong to mention the drawbacks of a firearm and unlike you, it doesn't mean you are bashing it. Further, it's also not snobbery to recommend a similarly priced alternative.

However, you posted an intentionally false claim about something revealed now to be a ruse. I don't care if it's a glock or a wooden chair. I don't care WHAT people buy. I would have stepped up and cried foul if it were any firearm. You lied and didn't qualify it. Now you are making claims about people who responded that aren't true either.

Since the OP has only posted a grand total of 4 times, I'd be willing to bet they moved on.

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SNIP............You posted a known lie without qualification .....I'd be willing to bet they moved on.

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Guys - seriously can we all just move on. If you don't like Hi-Points fine. Post a thread with credible cites and real world experience of why they are the worst firearm ever. I posted my real world experience with functional cost effective firearms IMHO. Please do the same otherwise you are no better than the posters you are attacking, correct?
Mobiushky - you have made claims also in this thread that were CITED to be false, so in my mind you're doing yourself no favors here....

Opinion is just that. Experience is another thing entirely! Mine has been pretty good with hi-points. YMMV. One thing is certain from my EXPERIENCE - if there's a problem hi-point makes it right.

This thread can be informative to people who may not have the money to buy anything other than an inexpensive gun. So we can give feed back all we want but - have some basis or clearly state "I just don't : feel, like, etc... or, I have never tried one or I fired one one time, or I fired one 50 times and it blew my hands off and I'm typing this with the help of dragon speech recognition software.

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Guys - seriously can we all just move on. If you don't like Hi-Points fine. Post a thread with credible cites and real world experience of why they are the worst firearm ever. I posted my real world experience with functional cost effective firearms IMHO. Please do the same otherwise you are no better than the posters you are attacking, correct?
Mobiushky - you have made claims also in this thread that were CITED to be false, so in my mind you're doing yourself no favors here....

Opinion is just that. Experience is another thing entirely! Mine has been pretty good with hi-points. YMMV. One thing is certain from my EXPERIENCE - if there's a problem hi-point makes it right.

This thread can be informative to people who may not have the money to buy anything other than an inexpensive gun. So we can give feed back all we want but - have some basis or clearly state "I just don't : feel, like, etc... or, I have never tried one or I fired one one time, or I fired one 50 times and it blew my hands off and I'm typing this with the help of dragon speech recognition software.

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No, I haven't. I have explained that the Glock warranty as well as many of the other name brands is different in practice from that of the written warranty they post for legal reasons. I've given personal experience of returns of Glocks that fits that "in practice" warranty as well as posts to other threads that says the same. You claim that because it wasn't "my" gun it's immaterial. I do have knowledge of people who have had to return their guns because they are friends of mine. You choose to ignore all that because it fits your narrative. The fact that they have a posted warranty is merely there for legal purposes. But then we know you won't accept that.

What was posted was an outright lie and provably so. And admitted to it later. The issue I have isn't even the brand name "Glock." I'd be saying the same thing if it was a S&W, Ruger, whatever, you name it. Then when I challenged that, the poster attacked me as bashing Hi-Point because I challenged his false assertion. I have no problem with Hi-point. It seems to me people here are WAY too wrapped up in their defense of the thing to provide valuable information. Like yourself. Shooting a 3" square from 7 yards is not hard with ANY handgun. I could probably accomplish that without sights even. That's nearly 41 MOA. Not really impressive, yet you call it a "tack driver." This isn't a knock on Hi-Point because that's fine for defensive purposes and that's all that really matters. This is a knock on the claim that 41 MOA makes it a tack driver. Hardly. It makes it reasonably useful for defensive purposes. So pardon me if I'm not at all impressed by your claims and the over posted pictures.

I don't have any issues with anyone who loves Hi-Points. I personally don't like the weight and the heft of the slide since it's a pure blowback. But that's a personal preference. On the same token, there's nothing wrong with people who recommend other options. Wouldn't it be nice to have a reasonable discussion without being so wrapped up in a brand?

BTW, I agree a thread "could" be informative, but when people start throwing out the "snob" and "racist" for recommending something other than Hi-Point, it ceases to really be informative. And when people refuse to accept real world information about a company because they can't see past a legal notice, well, same thing.

BTBTW, I was also recently informed by a Glock armorer that if you attend a Glock GSSF match with a factory armorer on hand, they will service and repair your Glock for you on site while you watch. For free. But since that's not on the warranty card or on the website, he's probably lying to me.

@ Mobi - you have demonstrated that you will never, ever, ever admit that you can make a mistake or misjudgements about anything- fine, so be it. Those who know all ...can learn nothing more. I have made many mistakes in the span of my years on earth. I learned from them and am better for recognizing them IMHO. Your opinion is yours, and though it is not based in any real-world experience or factual evidence other than pictures gleaned off the "net", you are entitled to it. . I once heard of a guy who was the 5th cousin of stone cold Steve Austin, who while shooting sticks of dynamite off his hi-point carbine by putting the wick in the barrel, pointing it straight up, and squeezing the trigger, had one blow up! Therefore they're all time bombs waiting to go off ....correct?

As to racism having much to do with gun control and attempted ban on less expensive guns that the "poor" buy (often minorities) there's a lot of history that backs those claims up.

Here let's put a quick end to this debate - for every video you post of yourself having "issues" with a hi-point pistol or carbine I will post two of me firing them without issues... fair enough?

For those looking for a inexpensive pistol - Hi-Points are a viable option. I say this as someone who uses and at times carries them for defense. Would I say they are the best pistol out there? NO! Would I carry one or suggest my loved ones carry one vs not carrying a pistol due to financial constraints? Yes!

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@ Mobi - you have demonstrated that you will never, ever, ever admit that you can make a mistake or misjudgements about anything- fine, so be it. Those who know all ...can learn nothing more. I have made many mistakes in the span of my years on earth. I learned from them and am better for recognizing them IMHO. Your opinion is yours, and though it is not based in any real-world experience or factual evidence other than pictures gleaned off the "net", you are entitled to it. . I once heard of a guy who was the 5th cousin of stone cold Steve Austin, who while shooting sticks of dynamite off his hi-point carbine by putting the wick in the barrel, pointing it straight up, and squeezing the trigger, had one blow up! Therefore they're all time bombs waiting to go off ....correct?

As to racism having much to do with gun control and attempted ban on less expensive guns that the "poor" buy (often minorities) there's a lot of history that backs those claims up.

Here let's put a quick end to this debate - for every video you post of yourself having "issues" with a hi-point pistol or carbine I will post two of me firing them without issues... fair enough?

For those looking for a inexpensive pistol - Hi-Points are a viable option. I say this as someone who uses and at times carries them for defense. Would I say they are the best pistol out there? NO! Would I carry one or suggest my loved ones carry one vs not carrying a pistol due to financial constraints? Yes!

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Also not true. I didn't "hear of a guy who once" whatever. In one case, it is my friend. I talk to him daily. We shoot together. I sighted his rifle for him. I taught his younger cousins to shoot. I'm close friends with his uncle. Not some 5th cousin crap you keep trying to play it off. In another case it is a certified Glock armorer who I happen to know. I will admit when I'm wrong. Always will. As yet, you cannot prove I am. Please show me where YOU sent a Glock in to have it repaired and were refused service. If that is the only level you will accept, so be it. Prove me wrong from your personal experience. Since you cannot, you are as much in the wrong here as you seem to claim I am.

Further, please stop projecting on to me. I've maintained from the start that I have no problem with Hi-Point. Never have. I said I don't like them personally because of the excess weight and I don't like the pure blow back design. I never said anything worse than that. What I have said is that it's perfectly acceptable to have others recommend something else. AND I've said that when a person asks peoples opinions, it's perfectly acceptable to voice concerns if people have them. I have none, but that doesn't mean other people's concerns are then false.

The racism issue was brought up by a poster who admitted they were trying to bait people into a trap. I am well aware of the history of racism related to gun control. But it's pure idiocy to claim that someone who is voicing an opinion, in this case regarding a Hi-Point, is a racist or for that matter a "snob" because they are not jumping on the bandwagon. There were a lot of posts here that were recommending a lot of things that are equal in price, but simply not a Hi-Point. Suddenly that's racism and snobbery?

I really have no idea why you would want me to post videos of my having problems with a Hi-Point. What I will do is post some links to videos with very favorable reviews. Even some where the reviewer was trying to hate them and ended up being impressed. More important, why do you keep thinking I have a problem with Hi-Point? Where is this coming from?

Further, you are falling into the same trap as others. Argumentum ad absurdum. No one here has recommended that the OP not buy a gun rather than buy a Hi-Point. No one. In fact, most everyone said, if that's what you can afford, you won't be sorry. Or similar. Further still, the OP ALREADY OWNS A GUN. It was stated in the OP. So the implication that people are trying to prevent him from buying a gun and would rather see him unarmed instead of buying a Hi-Point comes across as insecurity.

Let's not forget where this started. I challenged a blatantly false and admittedly incorrect statement. And now I'm somehow guilty of bashing the Hi-Point?

We can agree to disagree. You are so fixated on proffering advice about glocks (that you don't own)...that you will continue to derail a thread about Hi-Points. I don't know if you are a racist & honestly, I don't care if you are...that is your choice. I would never call anyone a racist without seeing first hand for my self. Just as I would never call a gun junk, without actually experiencing some type of issues for myself.

Are you bashing hi-points? You are clear you don't "like" them & don't trust them. No that's not bashing, just your OPINION. We all have them. The ones formed by experience are usually in my book valid, others are just "feelings" and often faulty.

Post your video's of you experiencing Hi-Points failing & I will post 2 for every one you post of me shooting mine without issues...surely you'll back up your "feelings/thoughts/premonitions" with documentation, correct?

Well,,,

i just want to make this one point!
when a hipoint, jennings or raven break in that way,
the slide is retained because of their special design!

any,,, real gun,,, that breaks that way,,, will result in the broke slide
flying off the back of the gun, at high speed
smashing the shooter, right in the eye!!!

ask me how i know...

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We can agree to disagree. You are so fixated on proffering advice about glocks (that you don't own)...that you will continue to derail a thread about Hi-Points. I don't know if you are a racist & honestly, I don't care if you are...that is your choice. I would never call anyone a racist without seeing first hand for my self. Just as I would never call a gun junk, without actually experiencing some type of issues for myself.

Are you bashing hi-points? You are clear you don't "like" them & don't trust them. No that's not bashing, just your OPINION. We all have them. The ones formed by experience are usually in my book valid, others are just "feelings" and often faulty.

Post your video's of you experiencing Hi-Points failing & I will post 2 for every one you post of me shooting mine without issues...surely you'll back up your "feelings/thoughts/premonitions" with documentation, correct?

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First off, I do own glocks. Along with other brands. But then that was just one of many of your assumptions. One's that are wrong. Just happens that I've never had to return the ones I have. In fact, I've never returned any of my firearms for any warranty work. Brand irrelevant.

Second, I didn't completely derail the thread, I refuted a false bit of information to which several replies were made calling me a basher, a snob, and implying disagreement meant I was racist. I was called every name in the book (it seems) for providing truth. How dare I do that on a forum. Apologies.

Third, I've never said I don't trust Hi-Points. Yet another of your many wrong assumptions. I said I don't like them because they don't work for me personally, but I never said that anyone else should avoid them. What I actually said was if that's what you can afford and you like them, enjoy it.

You said that based on the warranty on-line, the Glock warranty was not as good as Hi-Point. I mentioned that the Glock warranty is unwritten and that the written one is for legal reasons. I asked my friend who did return his to sum up his experience. I assumed he had bought his new, but guess what, turns out I was wrong. Here's a copy from the e-mail he sent me:

I felt like I was going out on a limb with mine, seeing as how I purchased from a private party - no receipt, no warranty form, nothing.

I called Glock and explained what was going on. I said I wanted them to look at it under warranty, and then I asked if there was any kind of reference or service number I needed from the phone call - see what I did there? I was trying to subtly hint that I really, REALLY wanted them to look at it. The tech said no, no number needed. Just send it in with the warranty form you can print from Glock's website and a letter containing name, RETURN ADDRESS, contact info., and a description of the work requested. I also included the gun model and serial, along with a statement that I was sending 1 15 round magazine - you need to send a mag with the gun to the factory. I know, weird, right? You'd think they'd just have stacks of magazines lying around, but what do I know.

I ended up paying for shipping, but Glock's work was free.

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But wait, it wasn't his from the beginning. Clearly he lied. Or you were wrong. I wonder which it is?

Finally, stop strawman attempts. I told you clearly I won't post videos of Hi-Point failures. I believe it was Iraqvet8888 who tested one recently and ended up being surprised at how well it worked. Why would I argue with that? Or is it maybe that you are so blinded by this that you don't get that I don't have any problems with Hi-Points?

Mobi - I think you talk a lot of crap. The good thing with that is: you will never have to draw a weapon to stop a attacker - you will simply talk them to death. Now as to measuring defensive/combat pistol shooting in MOA...WTF? Ask any pistol instructor if one can consistently put rounds in a sub 3 inch square at the far edge of typical pistol combat range (21 feet) and they will tell you that is decent (acceptable) shooting from any 45acp! let alone a 3lbs 6oz pistol (fully loaded) with 3.25 inches of rifled barrel, shot standing with: no support, cheap ammo (mag tech 230gr ball). Those posted were with "hotter" JHP rounds. Of course the grouping will open up a little. Can you shoot smiley faces with your ...[insert caliber] glock?

I suppose you are yet another one of our "our one ragged hole" @ 100yards with a carry pistol shooters ? If so - post it!

We will wait with great anticipation of seeing your super pistol skills. But we won't hold our breath.

Hey man - if you just want to argue every single thing just say so. Plenty here will oblige you.

P.S. I will call glock customer service and record & post the conversation. I will ask them if they will replace a pistol frame that has been chewed up by a dog ...(Hi-Point did) it will be interesting to hear what they say...something tells me it won't be for free.

Mornin Boys,
If your Hi-Point C9 FTF or jams may I suggest you try 2 things to fix it.

First thing is do the mag, that will fix about 75% of the problems.


Second will be the feed ramp. You only need to take off the sharp edge around the ramp. Only take off the thickness of a human hair or less, it don't take much. If you slide a round in it and the brass catches, then fix it.

hobbles said:

Mornin Boys,
If your Hi-Point FTF or jams may I suggest you try 2 things to fix it.

First thing is do the mag, that will fix about 75% of the problems.

Second will be the feed ramp. You only need to take off the sharp edge around the ramp. Only take off the thickness of a human hair or less, it don't take much. If you slid a round in it and the brass catches, then fix it.

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did that to GF c9 she also was limp wristing it so it had feeding issues

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1911's suck!

FreeInAZ said:

P.S. I will call glock customer service and record & post the conversation. I will ask them if they will replace a pistol frame that has been chewed up by a dog ...(Hi-Point did) it will be interesting to hear what they say...something tells me it won't be for free.

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Not only did they replace it for free, they sent him a new magazine to cover his shipping costs. And did it in less than a month!

MyWifeSaidYes said:

1911's suck!

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The problem with 1911's is they are too expensive for some people. And the same argument goes on over RI 1911's compared to the more expensive brands. Some people think if you don't spend a lot of money on a handgun the bad guy will not take you seriously.

I have a Essex frame with milsurp parts, nothing fancy, and it works, consistently. Just as my wife's hi point does.

I've never shot a HiPoint pistol, but I have two of their carbines (9mm and .40 cal). They are ugly, clunky, and a little crude on the fit and finish but they are 100% reliable. I've never had a misfire or FTF with either. Based upon my experience, I wouldn't rule out a HP pistol. I suppose the only way to know is to get one and put 1,000+ rounds through it. If it always goes bang when you squeeze the trigger, then it's good enough.

FreeInAZ said:

Mobi - I think you talk a lot of crap. The good thing with that is: you will never have to draw a weapon to stop a attacker - you will simply talk them to death. Now as to measuring defensive/combat pistol shooting in MOA...WTF? Ask any pistol instructor if one can consistently put rounds in a sub 3 inch square at the far edge of typical pistol combat range (21 feet) and they will tell you that is decent (acceptable) shooting from any 45acp! let alone a 3lbs 6oz pistol (fully loaded) with 3.25 inches of rifled barrel, shot standing with: no support, cheap ammo (mag tech 230gr ball). Those posted were with "hotter" JHP rounds. Of course the grouping will open up a little. Can you shoot smiley faces with your ...[insert caliber] glock?

I suppose you are yet another one of our "our one ragged hole" @ 100yards with a carry pistol shooters ? If so - post it!

We will wait with great anticipation of seeing your super pistol skills. But we won't hold our breath.

Hey man - if you just want to argue every single thing just say so. Plenty here will oblige you.

P.S. I will call glock customer service and record & post the conversation. I will ask them if they will replace a pistol frame that has been chewed up by a dog ...(Hi-Point did) it will be interesting to hear what they say...something tells me it won't be for free.

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And you have serious reading comprehension issues. If you don't know what MOA is, well that speaks volumes.

You stated that your Hi-Point was a tack driver and posted as proof that you can shoot a 3" square piece of paper at 21'. I simply replied that I was unimpressed by this outstanding display of "tack driver"yness. I also stated that it's acceptable for defensive shooting, sure. In fact, anything within a 9" square is acceptable for self defense. But that doesn't make it a "tack driver."

My point wasn't bashing the gun. It was to bring attention to the often outlandish claims people make about their ego, er, I mean chosen gun. The Hi-Point is a perfectly serviceable self defense and open carry firearm. Anyone who chooses to buy one will more than likely be very happy with the decision. And from all reports, they will be more than satisfied with the return process they will need to use when they have to return it to Hi-Point for repairs. I've never said anything different. But then I'm getting the feeling you're not paying attention to that because you still have some kind of fixation on people who "bash" Hi-Point when they tell the truth.

I do know one person who had to replace the frame on their Glock because they were using an after market steel guide rod. That rod had a failure and ended up breaking the frame. Now, since you know the Glock warranty so well, you'll note that they say if the failure is due to aftermarket equipment, they won't replace it. Guess what? They replaced the frame with a new one and only charged him for the new frame. Which according to the form would cost $100. Is that a little more than free? Sure. That's a valid point. But then, they could have told the guy pound sand and would have been perfectly within their rights.

I'm not arguing "every point". I'm arguing false information. You'll notice that I only entered the discussion when false or inaccurate information was given. And I've never "bashed" Hi-Point. Funny thing is, you seem to be doing the same thing for Hi-Point any time they come up and complaining about me doing it here.