If their lawyer is any good, there will be several suits.
The Officer, the Chief, the town, maybe more.
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Culpeper shooting
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If their lawyer is any good, there will be several suits.
The Officer, the Chief, the town, maybe more.
"paging user. user, please pick up the white courtesy phone."
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Sorry to follow up so soon, but the problem now, is that once they start 'getting by' with this stuff, it is too easy to just do it again. 'Oh, well, last time, we did this and it went away...'. They need to at least fire the top cops and get someone in who is pro-citizen if they're forced to settle. The force acts the way they do because of the top down. You tell the beat cop you won't tolerate excessive force and lying and hope they'll do it.
Talking about it won't help. The people who live there need to buy a video camera and put the town under a 24 hour microscope.
Repeater
Regular Member
God help any Eyewitness to a bad cop encounter. It seems there are those who are trying to discredit the eyewitness by publishing his criminal record. Not putting anything here, but you can look for yourself if you like and see if that would change your mind about anything.
For me, it's not about the eyewitness but rather the lengths some will go to defend the police no matter what.
NightmareSHANIQUA
Regular Member
So you're going to tell me that a 54yof female cannot kill an officer same as a 20yom MS13 member? You're insane if think this is true. Go ahead and sit in that Crown Vic, pull someone over and watch them act all hinky. Tell me if you do not draw your weapon on a person that refuses to keep their hands where you can see them, out of their waistband, or does not comply with verbal commands given appropriate circumstances. A 54yof can pull a trigger, slice you wide open, or run you over just quickly, easily, and efficiently as a 20yom. When you're in the mindset of him or me going home tonight, you would certainly change your tune. A lot more goes into being a police officer than writing a ticket here and there and inconveniencing you when you break a law. Think about that the next time you see an officer getting a cup of coffee or catching up on some paper. They do a lot more than is recognized by the regular public. Few people on this board give them the credit for actually putting their lives on the line. More often than not they are seen as "the bad guy" or "the man."
Officer safety training puts a lot of officers in a hyper vigilant state. Therefore, she could have done something that would have been perceived on the officer's end as aggressive, while she might have been flustered by an encounter, but needs to comply with commands. We can all sit here behind the keyboards and talk about how government has gotten the better of citizens with the concealed carry permits and asking permission for the second amendment... and then letting that aggression follow through to the few that enforce the laws, that ask things to happen because it is a practice with EVERY person they encounter, not just you because you are legally carrying. Some people on this board have such a bone to pick with LEO that it is just stupid. God forbid that you are done wrong by anyone in life.
All I am saying in this thread is that there is very little credit being given to the VA state police because they are LEO and therefore lacking in credit because it was a LE shooting. I would bet good money that if your loved ones were slain, and VSP was conducting the interview, your mindset would be a lot different. The eyewitness accounts vs the officer testimony is something that will be settled in the investigation. And as I stated before, eyewitness testimony is not 100% accurate for physiological reasons.
And in reference to the in car camera system not recording properly? Yes, it can be deactivated. Surely it can be manipulated. But the automatic assumption that it HAS been is sickening. There is so little faith put in the investigation by the state police. The assumptions and the bias is just mind blowing.
Because people have had negative encounters with LEO before lumps everyone of the LEOs into the dishonest, selfish, pain for pleasure knuckle draggers that the story tellers have made them out to be. Call me a flagrant apologist all you want. I am saying I have seen both sides of the law: enforcing and being enforced. Ive seen some things that I did not agree with and did what I could to fix them. The assumptions of guilt and innocence should be saved until the investigation is concluded and all relevant information is released. Go ahead and say that it will not and will be manipulated/deleted/covered up/and whatever other paranoid delusions lead you to. I find it hard to believe that people will not even give this officer two seconds to explain his story just because he wears a badge.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
What a disjointed rant. Blind cop apologists are just as bad as blind cop-bashers.
In a hypervigilant state, huh? IOW, trigger-happy. Gotcha. Better not blink or you'll get shot.
As to 'explaining' his story, where is he? I'm sure the news organizations would be thrilled to give him all the time he wants to explain how he shot a person 6-9 times.
"...see, after the fifth bullet she was still twitching..."
Good to see you're not sticking with the obviously bogus 'he got dragged story' that the VSP are telling (the VSP is telling, sans evidence of same, I might add)
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Ric in Richmond
Regular Member
God forbid your license come up with a concealed weapons permit...almost a ticket to just shoot you in the head for a culpeper cop.
Back the lady in Culpepper...I am sure she deserved summary judgement and execution...She committed disrespect of cop!!!
Bet if we search this cops name in 5 years he is working for some other PD in some other part of the country.
Nightmare, I think you make great points. I agree with you the anticop bias on this site is overwhelming. They have already made assumptions that:
1. The witness statement to a news source is more credible than the officer.
2. The lady was an innocent victim.
3. The officer was never in danger.
Mind you that none of these posters were there and don't know anyone involved. They make their conclusions because they are anticop. They have formed their own old angry man club and thats why you only see the same posters from that circle. Even the sensible posters on this site won't add pro police comments because they know they will receive criticism.
Now I personally haven't concluded if the officer was right or wrong. How could I? I wasn't there nor do I know what the investigation is revealing.
Now time for Citizen's (or Peter) witty personal attack comment....
1. The witness statement to a news source is more credible than the officer.
2. The lady was an innocent victim.
3. The officer was never in danger.
Mind you that none of these posters were there and don't know anyone involved. They make their conclusions because they are anticop. They have formed their own old angry man club and thats why you only see the same posters from that circle. Even the sensible posters on this site won't add pro police comments because they know they will receive criticism.
Now I personally haven't concluded if the officer was right or wrong. How could I? I wasn't there nor do I know what the investigation is revealing.
Now time for Citizen's (or Peter) witty personal attack comment....
Why bother?
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marshaul
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First of all, the assumptions arise from consideration of the uncontested facts; they are not preexisting.
Secondly, even were the assumptions preexisting, can you present a shred of evidence, or even reasonable speculation, that any of those three assumptions is false?
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NightmareSHANIQUA
Regular Member
Someone else is seeing what I am seeing. While the rant may have been disjointed or poorly organized, majority of this thread has followed the same thought. The only common theme is that the members here have progressively and aggressively worked towards discrediting the officer story and the investigation. People here on this board are intelligent but are biased like no other when it comes to LEOs. Novacop has been personally attacked more than once just because he is an officer and his personal opinions made from an officers POV. At this point I am done trying keep to conversation unbiased. Sadly I feel this board has turned into the grumpy old man club from the negative encounters members have had. I agree that skids incident was totally wrong. However, the assumption and mindset every officer is that way is just ignorant.
Have fun continuing to bash the officer in this story. Nevermind he is a human ans can make mistakes same as anyone else in this world. Im glad you guys can sit behind the keyboard and point, criticize, and judge given only info that has been released to the public. Much more happens behind the scene, but you wouldn't trust it anyway.
Just so Nightmare and his peanut gallery see some comments that make any here look mild:
- The husband is pretty low key about having his wife shot to death, and about the cop making up a ******** story about being dragged. He thinks maybe there was some excessive force used? Ya think?
iconoclast911 4 days ago 3
- That witness dude better watch his back for rouge cop murderers too. God Bless this witness.
iconoclast911 4 days ago 2
- Cops are pigs.
Mostly, especially out of uniform, they keep it controlled.
But they are all just waiting an excuse to loose their inner swine.
All it takes is a little resistance, and the guns come out...
konopelli 20 hours ago
- The sad ? here is did her crime for being ? by the cop warrant her death. What did she do wrong haven't heard that yet . theres such thing as punishment fitting the crime and in our Constittution it states Our courts issue out punishment not cops. I would like know what crime she committed to warrant the punishment of death. and if this community has a rouge cop dealing out punishment on his own.If anything this is a really bad lack of judgement period .Something most cops lack there robots now.
IKE07081952 2 days ago
- Gary Cook seems way too calm. He and the rest of the Culpeper folks must be really hitting the fluoride tainted water hard. Barny Fife could do the investigation on this one. Does the cop have an injury on his arm from the window shutting on it and driving away? Must be a pretty bad bruise at least. Check out the angle of shots fired Barny. Were the shots fired at close range? Blood spatter? Obviously a typical cover up.
saintearth 3 days ago
- "The Culpeper town spokesperson says the officer's cruiser did have a video camera, but that it was not working. "
That cop is guilty as hell.
judyneric 4 days ago
- "The role of the police is not to serve and protect the people. It is to serve and protect the system that rules over the people. To enforce the relations of exploitation and oppression, the conditions of poverty, misery and degradation into which the system has cast people and is determined to keep people in. The law and order the police are about, with all of their brutality and murder, is the law and the order that enforces all this oppression and madness." Bob Avakian, revcom.us, BAsics
M22118 4 days ago
- @floridaeagle that was my first worry....i hope to hell that poor guy doesnt disappear....
jesushatescrosses 4 days ago 2
- Seems like he could have gotten her plate number and acte in a different way. OH ! thats right. She is guilty until she proves she is innocent. M/Fer
lastpatriot4America 4 days ago 2
- :50 looks like the officer stood near the second tree from left near the curb. brass is ejected high and right. also notice how she parked the jeep inside the white line and did not strike the utility pole. she was alive when she parked the jeep. not only was she alive, but she was able to put the trans in park or set an e-brake.
Tarten46 5 days ago
- 0:47. Take a look at what theyve covered on the jeep. both doors AND the taillight. look at the sheet on drivers window. appears glass is up and intact. back door glass appears to be gone (shot out?) tail light is covered because it has a bullet hole. officers arm was inside the drivers window and the glass is intact eh? She was shot in the back!
Tarten46 5 days ago 2
- @floridaeagle thats a good observation.
Tarten46 5 days ago
- piggs
onceANexile 5 days ago
- My condolences to her family.
Yet more proof that we live in a caste society of politicians > cops > citizens > immigrants.
sdkee 5 days ago
- Just found another local news report that says there are now two eye witnesses. Kris Buchele is one of the two eye witnesses. Both eye witnesses say the police officer was not dragged and both were shocked the police officer fired and killed her at basically point blank range.
Charlotte333 5 days ago
- No one can trust the police anymore. they have totally gone crazy and out of control with power!
marshsusie59 5 days ago 2
- Arm stuck in the window of a Jeep Wrangler? LULZ WHUT??? I'm 6'4 and couldn't get my arm caught in a wrangler window. Sorry.
EV1LDC4Teggy 5 days ago
- hats ****** up is that if this goes to court.more than likely they wont do **** to the cop even with a witness.plain as simple he is the law.****** up cops get off with a slap on the wrist
TheJuggalogeoff80 5 days ago
- So, the woman has a Jeep Wrangler.....if she was dragging the cop,
1-he wouldn't even have been able to reach a gun, much less, shoot
2- if he was able to shoot, it would have been at the door or the tires.
Come to think of it, how could he have his arm stuck on the door with a Wrangler?
EarthaKit2 5 days ago 2
- ****** up country
- what was the officers name? Oh wait, its conveniently missing. You can bet your name would be there if you were even whispered accused of doing something wrong. Lets have some names of cops and supervisors!! This is outrageous. Lets see some accountability and make sure nothing happens to this witness!!
floridaeagle 6 days ago
- This is so disgusting to me I don't even have anything more to say. My condolences to her husband and the rest of her loved ones and friends. The police story makes no sense.
xWindShadowMothx 6 days ago
- @cyaard Even if she had dragged him along***
cyaard 6 days ago
- @freebird1ification EXACTLY. Even IF she had drug him along , WHY did he have his arm in her window trying to grab her ID when she was PARKED? IMO she had the right to roll up her window because she was being physically violated. There is absolutely no way you can spin this situation to justify the cops actions. Go ahead and try , I'd love to hear it.
cyaard 6 days ago 2
- hell the exact cause of death was lead poisoning dumb ass cops have radios and can follow anyone to where there going and make an arrest after the calvary shows up sounds like the cop wanted to shut someone up doesnt it she probably stumbled across the cop in the middle of a drug deal hope kriss doesnt end up being hauled off to the gulaug might want to stick close to lots of folks for awile if you know what i mean damn what is happening to common sense these days???????????
- 0:47. Take a look at what theyve covered on the jeep. both doors AND the taillight. look at the sheet on drivers window. appears glass is up and intact. back door glass appears to be gone (shot out?) tail light is covered because it has a bullet hole. officers arm was inside the drivers window and the glass is intact eh? She was shot in the back!
Sheriff
Regular Member
I don't think anybody would dispute this fact. The problem is he needs to face his mistake
and accept his punishment like any other person would have to. But that's not going to happen.
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Sheriff
Regular Member
Very bad timing on this announcement. Now they have every reason in the world to clear the city and
cop of any wrongdoing. I would have waited until the investigation was over before making this announcement.
Sheriff
Regular Member
eb31
Regular Member
I resided in podunk Culpeper, Va for 6 years. The cops there are crooked as hell. I know 2 good ones. That's it.
I caught two PI's for walking from a bar to a ...wait for it... CAB!. I don't drink and drive. Call a cab.
Cops reasoning? I "technically" was in public.
Can't stand Culpeper. You get hit with a county and town tax on your vehicle as well.
Whole town is crooked.
I caught two PI's for walking from a bar to a ...wait for it... CAB!. I don't drink and drive. Call a cab.
Cops reasoning? I "technically" was in public.
Can't stand Culpeper. You get hit with a county and town tax on your vehicle as well.
Whole town is crooked.