Waukesha Gun Show Employees

[GLOCK21GB]

lol.....internet tough guy.....LOL Those here that know me...know that your Mistaken & foolish all at the same time

you think that fat blob in front of the Computer could have ran a urban Carbine course ? or Muscled out OG Thugs & MS13 members single handed ??? Think again Oak or maybe that was a self shot of yourself ???

 

[oak1971]

lol.....internet tough guy.....LOL Those here that know me...know that your Mistaken & foolish all at the same time

you think that fat blob in front of the Computer could have ran a urban Carbine course ? or Muscled out OG Thugs & MS13 members single handed ??? Think again Oak or maybe that was a self shot of yourself ???

Twas not I who posted that. Read much?

 

[RetiredOC]

I really have to question if a person should be carrying a gun if they can't even speak up in defense of their woman, I'm sorry.

If you don't have the cojones to at least tell the offending person that talk like that to MY Girlfriend/Wife is inappropriate, are you REALLY gonna be able to pull your gun from it's holster and pull the trigger IF and when it's needed?

You ever heard the phrase, "speak softly and carry a Glock .40?"

It isn't about not having cojones, it's about being a grown ass man and not playing baby games. OMG IF YOU WON'T LOWER YOURSELF TO ARGUING WITH A RED NECK HOW CAN YOU EVEN DRAW A GUN!?!?!? < Life and death situation vs arguing with the village idiot, if you think the two are comparable perhaps you shouldn't be carrying?

In the most non condescending way may I ask how old you are?

Over the last couple of days, I asked the many women in my life (sisters, aunts, stepmother, Wife) what they would expect of me in such a situation, EVERY single one said that they expected I would at least step up and say something to this individual. Not stand there like some weenie with my tail between my legs.

If you wanna feel like you have a big **** yes by all means start a verbal altercation and escalate what could have been a non issue to impress your lady friend. I don't have to impress my wife. "She knows what it is."

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." < I guess they stopped teaching phrases like this to children in grade school.

If someone were bothering my children for instance, if the situation did not call for drawing a weapon, then a weapon should not be drawn, but that doesn't mean you do NOTHING!

So what do you do? "HEY STOP 'BOTHERING' MY KIDS, OR ELSE"
other party: "or else what?"
you: "pokerface.jpg"

 

[RetiredOC]

lol.....internet tough guy.....LOL Those here that know me...know that your Mistaken & foolish all at the same time

you think that fat blob in front of the Computer could have ran a urban Carbine course ? or Muscled out OG Thugs & MS13 members single handed ??? Think again Oak or maybe that was a self shot of yourself ???

you're not helping your case here *facepalm*

 

[Trip20]

...the individual you had working admissions proceeded to make in appropriate comments to my girlfriend of a sexual nature. This was her first time going to a gun show and due to his actions she has stated she has no desire to attend again. After paying admission we proceeded to the gun check table. As we walked away from the admissions table to gun check table the individual then made grunting/moaning type noises. We proceeded inside at my urging as she wanted to leave at that point. As we exited the show the same individual made the comment "Bye Baby."

The problem is after being mistreated, the OP decided to pay admission and coerce his lady friend in to an establishment administered by scoundrels. What kind of message does this send to a lady? That the purpose for the trip was more important than retaining an ounce of honor for his lady friend. Inexcusable.

This goes well beyond being innocent of instigation.

We must defend ourselves from all sorts of attacks. Carrying a firearm for protection does not have to be at the total expense of honor and chivalry. All may exist smartly. Absolute pacifism is not and never will be the answer.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

 

[civilwarguy]

Ok Those that have decided to call me out about not steping up and saying anything and still proceeding into the show after thisi am sure you still will disagree with my actions and that is fine but i do have my reasons actions were what they were and those who actually know me in person other than just the meet and greet event feel free to correct anything i am not right on the money about.

1st not saying anything - I believe who i am with is my equal and doesnt need me to be a bodyguard.Maybe you significant other is helpless and needs someone to fight her fights for her mine doesn't. Beyond that i did not want to escalate the sitiation into one that could have cause a problem for myself of the legal nature. This show was in waukesha and i was carrying although it was according to thier rules (unloaded no mag) , i do not believe that the condition of the gun would have mattered if the cops got called and they decide to side with the gun show because they have all thier employees saying "this guy just fliped out" As far as the issue of me havig to draw and pull the trigger and not begin able to i know i can. I am not going to go into the training or situations that assume me with out a shadow of a doubt on a public forum just because frankly its not everyone's business.

2d proceeding into the show- I had driven an hour after working 12 hours to go to this show and once inside she did say she was glad i pushed on as she atleast got to go to one. She also has stated in the last day that she would think about going to another one that wasnt one of thiers some time but that if some one acted as he did she was done for good. If i would have just turn around and left i can assure you she would not consider going to one again. By pressing on it showed her that he was not the norm of the poeple at shows.

 

[McX]

this thread has degenerated into another ******* match. CivilWar, dont validate their statements and accusations by responding to them. This thread was started to illuminate what was done to you, not to pick apart what you did or did not do, what you did or did not say, what you did or did not think. Nice zombie overlay pic on my cat avitar there by the way, to whoever did that. I should be insulted, but all i can do is laugh.

remember Civilwar; as i warned Protias, you are in the evil parallel universe now. Adjust your wardrobe to reflect the changes, gun carried on left side, crossdraw, dagger on the right. and above all remember they move up by assasination. where is my personal guard?!

 

[Grapeshot]

IMHO - It is far better to walk away from a problem than to become part of the problem.

There are better ways of resolving this issue and better places than at the front door to the show.

BTW - I carry and use my digital recorder in gun shows too.

 

[HandyHamlet]

I really have to question if a person should be carrying a gun if they can't even speak up in defense of their woman, I'm sorry.

I have witnessed the OP kill. With his mind. Granted they were only hamsters but they were still cooked from the inside out. Hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat my friend. Guns are for p******.

 

[RetiredOC]

Beyond that i did not want to escalate the sitiation into one that could have cause a problem for myself of the legal nature.

You're smarter than half the people following this thread.

 

[LaBomba]

I have witnessed the OP kill. With his mind. Granted they were only hamsters but they were still cooked from the inside out. Hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat my friend. Guns are for pussies.

LOL Handy Hamlet for President of Cyberspace

 

[MKEgal]

the man was trolling. That's it.
You verbally assault him back. He can dish it but can't take it so he comes up in your face and throws a punch

What I suggested ("Your actions are completely inappropriate, your sexual advances unwelcome. Stop right now.") isn't verbal assault, it's being assertive.
Correcting the problem, not attacking the person.
Alternatively, she could try a vague wave of the hand as she's walking away, coupled with "not interested".
Maybe look at him with the same disdain as she would a cockroach, or pile of feces.
Verbal assault would be more along the lines of "F off, a-hole". That would escalate.

There is a reason I pushed her so hard to get her NRA Instructor Credentials. She is a "natural" with other women. She did excellent work, one on one, with "paulswife" and "pinkvibrations" at my last NRA course.

:blush: And yes, he did push pretty hard & consistently. What size DI boot do you wear? LOL
Remind me not to go skydiving with you. :lol:

Would you be willing to post the text of the email you sent?

Nothing fancy:

Friends of mine attended the Waukesha show yesterday afternoon, and at the entrance the lady of the couple was sexually harassed by one of your employees.

According to my friends, your employee not only hit on her (asking what she was doing after the show) but made "grunting or moaning" noises as she walked away... with her boyfriend, who had been next to her the whole time. Then as she was leaving, this same male employee said "bye baby".

All of this is unwelcome contact of a sexual nature, especially the last 2 actions (grunting/moaning & addressing a female customer as 'baby'). It is completely inappropriate from an employee to a guest.

This was the first time she'd gone to a show, & says it will be her last, despite reassurance from her friends that this person is an aberration.

If this employee is not strongly reprimanded & re-educated on proper conduct toward customers, it will be the last B&R show I will attend, and our circle of friends as well. Since we belong to several well-trafficked internet fora & gun-rights groups, this incident has already been discussed across Wisconsin & even people from out of state are aware of the problem.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Sorry, Marlon, I honestly don't see what needs a dictionary. LOL
aberration? something out of the ordinary, usu. in a negative sense
fora? plural of forum
reprimand? chewing out

 

[civilwarguy]

I have witnessed the OP kill. With his mind. Granted they were only hamsters but they were still cooked from the inside out. Hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat my friend. Guns are for pussies.

Hey those hamsters deserved it and i make no apologies lol. And If I recall Handy YOU were the one who went after the rats who tried to defend them!

 

[HandyHamlet]

They are best when they are fresh.

:uhoh:

 

[civilwarguy]

MKEGal doesn't take much to make me pull out the dictionary lol. Spell check is a gift from above when it comes to my typing. so don't feel bad about using "big" words around me lol

 

[RetiredOC]

What I suggested ("Your actions are completely inappropriate, your sexual advances unwelcome. Stop right now.") isn't verbal assault, it's being assertive.

So now he replies with, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT ******?!

So now what? You can't hit him for being an *******. What do you do? It's a troll. You just don't feed the trolls mayne.

 

[rcawdor57]

Very Bad Behaviour From The Gun Show Employee.

Any employee of any establishment that acts that way should be fired immediately. It doesn't have to be sexual harassment...any misconduct is wrong and promotes a negative atmosphere. I haven't researched this particular example of being a jerk but it seems to me that this guy broke the law.

 

[LaBomba]

Any employee of any establishment that acts that way should be fired immediately. It doesn't have to be sexual harassment...any misconduct is wrong and promotes a negative atmosphere. I haven't researched this particular example of being a jerk but it seems to me that this guy broke the law.

I wonder about that, too. Here's an article about 3rd party claims from customers and vendors -- apparently most cases, liability insurance won't help a business owner survive a successful claim:

http://www.hfpinsurance.com/articles/a_nu030616.htm

 

[civilwarguy]

Still no response....I guess he really does allow this kind of behavior from his employees and doesnt want women to come t his shows thats really is a shame

 

[XD40-OD]

Still no response....I guess he really does allow this kind of behavior from his employees and doesnt want women to come t his shows thats really is a shame

Anyone within the 'industry', who acts in a manner that harms our rights and freedoms, deserves to be delt with. Swiftly and sternly. Now that's change I can believe in.