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Warrantless Searches

wylde007

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He obeyed unlawful commands? Obligating them in any way? Engaging in voluntary discourse?

He did not open fire on the king's enforcers?.
 

Claytron

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He obeyed unlawful commands? Obligating them in any way? Engaging in voluntary discourse?

He did not open fire on the king's enforcers?.

can you elaborate a little bit on that? What unlawful commands did he obey?
 

1245A Defender

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well,,,

thanx for the PM, i watched them both.
the 1st wrong thing he did was nearly begging to be shot by wanting to show his cell phone!!!

after that, he kept asking questions, that wont get you anywhere with the cops.

he should have told the cops to stay off his property till they had a warrant!
he should have told them that they needed RAS of a crime before they could get a warrant!
he should have told them that he will not talk anymore without his lawyer!
he should have told them, arrest me now, or go away!
properly hammering the cops to stand up for his 4th and 5th A rights
may have been able to stop this trampling from getting out of hand
in the first place!
 

Claytron

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"Hey! Hey, buddy!"

"C'mere!" "Drop the weapon." "Don't do anything stupid." "Get on your knees."

Etc.

First thing i notice is that you believe he was wrong for NOT doing something stupid..... thats kind of stupid dude. Not dropping his rifle when there are like 5 officers with rifles out on him? The only person willing to die for a situation like this would be someone sitting behind their keyboard talking about it on a forum....

Also, "hey! Hey, buddy!" is a lawful command now? lolcite.
 

wylde007

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First thing i notice is that you believe he was wrong for NOT doing something stupid... that's kind of stupid dude.
I take it hyperbole is not one of your strong suits.
Not dropping his rifle when there are like 5 officers with rifles out on him? The only person willing to die for a situation like this would be someone sitting behind their keyboard talking about it on a forum...
Said the guy from comfortably behind his keyboard.

A lot of wrong moves were made. Most of them by the officers and on tape.
Also, "hey! Hey, buddy!" is a lawful command now?
"Hey, hey buddy" is not so much a command as a request to engage in a consensual conversation, which he had every right to decline.

As there was no extenuating circumstance (exigent) and the man was not breaking any laws (spare me the part where you mindlessly defend the officers for not knowing if a law was being broken) he had no obligation to engage them in any way, shape or form.

You see, I take my rights seriously. Once they have been infringed they cannot be "un"infringed. Arrest him now and we'll find something to charge him with later sounds like SoP for the San Luis Obispo sheriffs department. On their way to the call it was as if they had already convicted the man of a crime and were well on their way to arresting him for the inconvenience of having to drive all the way out into the boonies. Then they threatened HIS LIFE while he was detained and under duress.
???
 

All American Nightmare

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thanx for the PM, i watched them both.
the 1st wrong thing he did was nearly begging to be shot by wanting to show his cell phone!!!

after that, he kept asking questions, that wont get you anywhere with the cops.

he should have told the cops to stay off his property till they had a warrant!
he should have told them that they needed RAS of a crime before they could get a warrant!
he should have told them that he will not talk anymore without his lawyer!
he should have told them, arrest me now, or go away!
properly hammering the cops to stand up for his 4th and 5th A rights
may have been able to stop this trampling from getting out of hand
in the first place!
You have alot to learn
 

All American Nightmare

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troll me much? Don't start something you won't finish.

you should talk to the OP
watch the videos,
your perception of the crime in progress is important to us.

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I saw the video a long time ago. (all of them) I don’t know CA State or Local laws. Do you?
after that, he kept asking questions, that wont get you anywhere with the cops.

Contempt of cop is not a charge. Asking questions is illegal in CA?
he should have told them that they needed RAS of a crime before they could get a warrant! So now, it is our job to tell cops how to do their job?

he should have told them that he will not talk anymore without his lawyer! he should have told them, arrest me now, or go away!

You are right I agree 100% with you. Have you ever been put on the spot like that? Have you ever told a LEO that? Something tells me that you are a LEO.
may have been able to stop this trampling from getting out of hand
in the first place! There is no way in hell that he could have stopped the power hungry cops from doing what they did. You remind me of novacop
 
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NovaCop

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My 2 cents on the matter...

The LEOs went lights and sirens to a call involving shots fired. I'd be curious to what the caller said was occurring, but anyway, they got there and a man was there with a gun. Now I don't know if it's legal to fire a gun in this jurisdiction or not, but regardless I don't see anything wrong with detaining the man to investigate what they most likely think is a possible shooting. Most likely they would be able to articulate going into his house for a "security sweep" (exigent circumstances) to search for victims/suspects given what kind of call they believe they are handling. I don't see anything wrong at all until this point.

Now going into his safe once the house was deemed safe and secure is where they cross the line. Obviously a warrant would be needed and they wouldn't have gotten one approved anyway. They need a refresher on some legal topics.
 

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Now going into his safe once the house was deemed safe and secure is where they cross the line. Obviously a warrant would be needed and they wouldn't have gotten one approved anyway. They need a refresher on some legal topics.

WoW! Impressive! You got this one right!!!

So...... I will now post the answer to my original question for enquiring minds!

DO NOT maintain the key or combination to your gun vault anywhere easily accessible by law enforcement officers. It's that simple.
 

wylde007

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DO NOT maintain the key or combination to your gun vault anywhere easily accessible by law enforcement officers.
Given their designs to illegally enter and "secure" the home, followed by the express desire to SEARCH the premises, what would have stopped them from tearing his house apart looking for those keys?

Or (had the safe been a combination lock) demanding under penalty of oh, let's say DEATH, that he reveal the combination to them?

Nothing. From the moment the call came in these guys evinced nothing but disdain and disregard for the limits of their office. They treated the citizen with hostility and contempt - he was guilty in their eyes before he even had an opportunity to acknowledge them.

They approached his RURAL PROPERTY with the predisposition that they were going to encounter, engage and subdue a criminal. For the reasons evident on the videos and part of the public record (mostly their comments and statements on tape) there should have been no charges, all of the deputies should have been summarily dismissed and prohibited from ever acting in such a capacity ever again.

Fortunately for the outgunned and outmanned CITIZEN he did not have an AD when they invaded his sanctuary.
 

papa bear

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hey,
i saw this video a while back. anybody know what the final story is? what is the victims choices in the mater? is there grounds for a civil suit? i am impressed with the recorded evidence that they were able to retrieve
 
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