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Visiting Belle, West Virginia

Gray Peterson

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Mike wrote:
Which sections belong to which cities?
Mike I changed a few things and bolded the cities. Given the language of the statute, open carry is illegal in Charleston, and if it was done before preemption passed, then WV should go back to anomalous carry status and lose gold star.

If this is the case, then what needs to be done is either A) Get Charleston to repeal it's ordinance, or confirm it to "concealed carry" and state law or B) Get the Legislature to follow the lead of Nevada and Virginia and introduce legislation to repeal the "Grandfathered" ordinances.
 

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Mike, here is what I've been able to find.

From the WV State Code:

8-12-5 "General powers of every municipality and the governing body thereof."

Subsection 16: To arrest, convict and punish any individual for carrying about his or her person any revolver or other pistol, dirk, bowie knife, razor, slingshot, billy, metallic or other false knuckles or any other dangerous or other deadly weapon of like kind or character;

8-12-5a"Limitations upon municipalities' power to restrict the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, transport, sale and storage of certain weapons and ammunition."


The provisions of section five of this article notwithstanding, neither a municipality nor the governing body of any municipality may limit the right of any person to purchase, possess, transfer, own, carry, transport, sell or store any revolver, pistol, rifle or shotgun or any ammunition or ammunition components to be used therewith nor to so regulate the keeping of gunpowder so as to directly or indirectly prohibit the ownership of the ammunition. Nothing herein shall in any way impair the authority of any municipality, or the governing body thereof, to enact any ordinance or resolution respecting the power to arrest, convict and punish any individual under the provisions of subdivision (16), section five of this article or from enforcing any such ordinance or resolution: Provided, That any municipal ordinance in place as of the effective date of this section shall be excepted from the provisions of this section: Provided, however, That no provision in this section may be construed to limit the authority of a municipality to restrict the commercial use of real estate in designated areas through planning or zoning ordinances.


8-12-5a certainly makes it clear that a city can't limit a person's right to carry. However, I haven't been able to find out when 8-12-5a was passed.

Now here is something very interesting that I found. Its a bit off topic but I foundit almost shocking, as I always thought WV was a very gun friendly state.Not from the state code but from this website: http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Halbrook2.htm

"The Handgun Control Act enacted in 1993 by Charleston, West Virginia, is a direct registration system. Under that ordinance, "no person or dealer shall sell any handgun to any other person without first obtaining ... a registration form" containing information about the purchaser. [14] The purchaser must certify that the handgun is "not for resale within a thirty-day period" and that "the purchaser has not purchased any other handgun within the thirty-day period" before the date on the registration form. [15] A copy of the form is filed with the police. [16]"

I haven't found any hard evidence, but it looks like preemption wasn't passed until 1993 or sometime thereafter. If I find more I'll report back.

http://www.legis.state.wv.us/WVCODE/masterfrm3Banner.cfm
 

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Agent6-3/8 wrote:
I haven't found any hard evidence, but it looks like preemption wasn't passed until 1993 or sometime thereafter. If I find more I'll report back.
I did a search on the WV legislature page, which lets you search bills, incidentally, back to 1993 only and I can't seem to find the preemption law when it was in the bill stage. My guess is it was probably pre-1993. I'm still searching too though.:banghead:
 

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I retract my previous statement. It was passed in 1993 as far as I can tell from this article. Granted this is in no way an official document it is the closest thing I have found. Does anyone know when the Charleston laws were passed regarding carry of deadly weapons? If it was before 1993 then it appears that Charleston would be a licensed open carry city like Philadelphia. Uhoh....

Moreover, statutory preemption exists in West Virginia: "neither a municipality nor the governing body of any municipality shall have the power to limit the right of any person to own any revolver, pistol, rifle or shotgun ...." [21] [Page 9]...
[21]. W. Va. Code § 8-12-5a (1993).

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_review_articles/rationing-firearms.html
 

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It looks like we found the same webpage through different links, check them out.:banghead:What is it they say, great minds think alike.:lol:

This is pure conjector, but I got a sneaky feeling that the"Charleston Handgun Control Act" was likely passed just before preemption. :?
 

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I still cannot find the grandfathering date but in an email conversation with Jim Mullins from WVCDL he said that Charleston and Dunbar do have grandfathered ordinances. I did not ask him details but I plan to bring it up at the meeting Saturday. I will report back when I know something.
 

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--snip from email--
You have correctly noted that, so far, WVCDL has focused on concealed carry and not so much on OC. This has simply been the result of my assessment of where WV law needs to be changed. OC is legal statewide with the exception of grandfathered municipal ordinances in Charleston & Dunbar, which will be preempted by a revised state preemption law we are drafting & plan to promote at the Legislature. There are also several hunting statutes that can be read to prohibit OC in a number of places, which will be corrected as part of a couple of broader bills we are drafting.
 

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West Virginia's preemption law waspassed on March3, 1999, and took effect 90 days thereafter.

The West Virginia Citizens League will be proposing a new state preemption law to cover grandfathered ordinances and both ordinances and administrative actions--primarily in the City of Charleston--that have made some government buildings criminal protection zones by disarming the law-abiding citizens working in and visiting those buildings.
 

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Mike,

Unfortunately, that will not be easy. I have access to the enrolled bill via the law library at my law school but the West Virginia Legislature's Web site does not have 1999 session laws online.

Also, I believe a couple of other individuals have posted on other threads the grandfathered OC ordinances from Charleston and Dunbar.
 

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WVCDL wrote:
Mike,

Unfortunately, that will not be easy. I have access to the enrolled bill via the law library at my law school but the West Virginia Legislature's Web site does not have 1999 session laws online.

Also, I believe a couple of other individuals have posted on other threads the grandfathered OC ordinances from Charleston and Dunbar.
Maybe that explains why we couldn't find it.:lol:
 

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Lonnie Wilson wrote:
I think at this point, WV needs to become an anomolous open carry state.
I'm going to have to agree with this. Apparently we do have bans in Charleston and Dunbar and the state should be classified correctly. Hopefully we can get that changed later but right now it should be anomolous.
 
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