Video? What Video?

[amlevin]

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2270501/S...e-no-video-in-deadly-officerinvolved-shooting

All those dash cams and it seems that either none were turned on or the cars weren't pointed in the right direction.


Seems this has even come to the attention of the "overseer" Merrick Bobb.

Time to "wire" all SPD officers and make the cameras like the "necklaces" in Total Recall. Try to turn them off or remove them-------------

 

[gogodawgs]

Why do the officer's have any control over their dash cams at all? If the vehicle is in service the cams should be on. This disgraced department is under investigation with the DOJ they have no room to speak.

The department says that even though it's been using the cameras in its entire fleet since 2007, some of the responding officers weren't trained in how to work them, others arrived straight from the start of their shifts and didn't have time to electronically synchronize them, and others never activated the cameras by turning on their emergency lights.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

The department says that even though it's been using the cameras in its entire fleet since 2007, some of the responding officers weren't trained in how to work them, others arrived straight from the start of their shifts and didn't have time to electronically synchronize them, and others never activated the cameras by turning on their emergency lights.

I say this is a load of Bulderdash, the cops sure as hell trained each other on how to avoid the use of them........I guess Birk didn't get the memo....

 

[amlevin]

Why do the officer's have any control over their dash cams at all? If the vehicle is in service the cams should be on. This disgraced department is under investigation with the DOJ they have no room to speak.

And to add, just exactly how hard is it to turn them on? In this day and age one learns how to operate a video camera shortly after pre-school.

I agree, the camer's should be "on" whenever the car is on the street. I'd also like to see one more step. All video is sent via "Wi-Fi" to a central data bank so it can't be destroyed, even if the car is burned to the ground.

 

[TechnoWeenie]

And to add, just exactly how hard is it to turn them on? In this day and age one learns how to operate a video camera shortly after pre-school.

I agree, the camer's should be "on" whenever the car is on the street. I'd also like to see one more step. All video is sent via "Wi-Fi" to a central data bank so it can't be destroyed, even if the car is burned to the ground.

They start recording when any of their emergency lighting is activated. If units responded without lights it won't record unless they manually start it. The recorder will stay on for a predetermined time after the emergency lights are turned off, then terminate recording automatically. Usually within a couple of minutes. So an officer can AOS, turn off the lightbar, wait a few minutes, and nothing will be recorded.

Depending on the system, they do automatically sync the files to a server, but 99% of times it can only be done at the station, and usually after a shift.

Usually only supervisors have access to the 'tapes' once they are made, but that doesn't mean that it won't disappear or 'not exist'. It was a HUGE issue a couple of years ago. News agencies were ordering footage from dash cams, and where incidents of abuse were alleged, half the time the 'tape' was missing the part where the alleged misconduct occurred, or 'malfunctioned' causing the section to be unreadable/unusable. Meaning it was most likely tampered with.

Records show Seattle police lost thousands of dashcam recordings

 

[davidmcbeth]

equipment MALFUNCTION

 

[randian]

They start recording when any of their emergency lighting is activated. If units responded without lights it won't record unless they manually start it. The recorder will stay on for a predetermined time after the emergency lights are turned off, then terminate recording automatically. Usually within a couple of minutes. So an officer can AOS, turn off the lightbar, wait a few minutes, and nothing will be recorded.

That's ... stupid. The cost and power draw for enough memory to store, say, 12 hours of NTSC video is minimal. Keep the dash cams going continuously even when the engine is off. Make tampering with the video or not turning it on at the beginning of your shift a summary firing offense.

 

[Freedom First]

That's ... stupid. The cost and power draw for enough memory to store, say, 12 hours of NTSC video is minimal. Keep the dash cams going continuously even when the engine is off. Make tampering with the video or not turning it on at the beginning of your shift a summary firing offense.

How about a felony?

Considering they can send you to a grave during the time you "tampered" with the camera?...

 

[marshaul]

Acquiring and presenting video evidence in court ought to become as fundamental as obeying the limits provided by the fourth amendment.

If officers knowingly go into an engagement (from a home invasion to a traffic stop), and they fail to produce video evidence documenting the encounter, they should face penalties ranging from dismissal of all evidence collected without video oversight, to a presumption of guilt should they shoot someone, or be accused of abuse of authority, without video oversight.

Penalties such as these would ensure compliance real quick.

Yes, this would mean police would have to record in duplicate or even triplicate. BFD. If you have nothing to hide...

 

[Citizen]

Acquiring and presenting video evidence in court ought to become as fundamental as obeying the limits provided by the fourth amendment.

Are you sure that came out the way you intended?

 

[marshaul]

Are you sure that came out the way you intended?

Sure. Obeying the limits provided by the fourth amendment ought to become fundamental as well.

 

[amzbrady]

Isn't this awesome? http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-police-sue-stop-release-dash-cam-videos/nGFxX/

 

[randian]

Isn't this awesome? http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-police-sue-stop-release-dash-cam-videos/nGFxX/

A surprising number of commenters side with the police.

I was disgusted by the argument that the videos shouldn't be made public because you need both parties consent. Surely the police didn't obtain anybody's consent before taping in the first place.

 

[marshaul]

Isn't this awesome? http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-police-sue-stop-release-dash-cam-videos/nGFxX/

Dumber than dumb (from the comments):

It's amazing that any law officers want to work at all in Seattle anymore, with its continually apoplectic and hysterical Leftist, anti-law enforcement population who have absolutely no idea at all of the kind of hell the officers go through every day.
Illegals and other criminal trash make a beeline for Seattle because they know it's a soft touch....a hard-Left City "administration" that coddles criminals and provides zero support for Police.
I salute the Seattle Police Officers who are still willing to put their lives on the line every single day for a largely hateful public and a backstabbing City that dumps on the Officers every chance they get.
Watch the crime rate skyrocket if they're forced to turn over the dashcam videos. Officers will be even less inclined to do what needs to be done when they know that every word they speak will be used against them by Leftwing lawyers, as well as having out-of-context snippets paraded on the Lefty "news" stations. I used to think Seattle was eagerly following San Fran into the cesspools but it's more like Seattle wants to emulate Detroit.

This guy must be a member of MENSA or something.

 

[rapgood]

Isn't this awesome? http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-police-sue-stop-release-dash-cam-videos/nGFxX/

Check the date. Jan. 4, 2012. It is now well-established law that police officers have no expectation of privacy in their conduct while on duty. It appears that they now simply "forget" to turn on their dash-cams when they are violating people's civil rights.

Now, this court ruling is what I call moving in the right direction!

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Check the date. Jan. 4, 2012. It is now well-established law that police officers have no expectation of privacy in their conduct while on duty. It appears that they now simply "forget" to turn on their dash-cams when they are violating people's civil rights.

Now, this court ruling is what I call moving in the right direction!

Wow just wow!

Under an Alford plea, a defendant doesn’t admit to the crime but acknowledges a jury likely would convict him given the information in the case.

In other words plea out so we win or we will bring the weight of the state down upon your head. :banghead:

 

[marshaul]

In other words plea out so we win or we will bring the weight of the state down upon your head. :banghead:

Also called "no contest".

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Also called "no contest".

Yep no contest they rig the game............

 

[randian]

It appears that they now simply "forget" to turn on their dash-cams when they are violating people's civil rights.

Or turn off their light bar and wait for the camera to automatically turn off.

 

[marshaul]

Yep no contest they rig the game............

Well duh.