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Vancouver OC Arrest

Difdi

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A Monell claim in US District Court would likely be more effective.

That's civil law. While getting the city expensively sued is liable to be bad for someone's chances of future promotions, nothing else has an impact quite like the potential for prison time that comes with violating a criminal law statute.

Cities get sued all the time, but knowing you could spend 10+ years in prison and then have to find a different career after getting out (since felons cannot be police officers) would tend to reduce the chances that anyone else would carry out unlawful orders that way.
 

iMack

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This is Mack

Hey everyone, this is Mack Worley III. I just wanted to say thank you for the support I have received within the 2A and OC community. I just want to say that I made every attempt to be accurate in my interview given to Open Carry Vancouver. I am confident that the video evidence, in police custody, will completely exonerate me of all charges. I appreciate your continued support. Thanks again!

-Mack
 

bebop4one

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Hey everyone, this is Mack Worley III. I just wanted to say thank you for the support I have received within the 2A and OC community. I just want to say that I made every attempt to be accurate in my interview given to Open Carry Vancouver. I am confident that the video evidence, in police custody, will completely exonerate me of all charges. I appreciate your continued support. Thanks again!

-Mack

Best of luck to you Mack. I'm sure that a number of us here will be following this one closely. I was absolutely sickened to hear this story and it makes me sad to know that there are rogue officers on our streets that feel they can can do whatever they want with little-to-no discipline taken against them. You were simply exercising your right as a citizen and met the wrong cops. They need to think and seriously ponder why they wanted to become officers of the law in the first place. Thank you for your service and please keep us updated!
 

jhfc

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I noticed the link to contribute to the defense fund says the donation period is now closed.

I'd like to make a donation. Mack - is there another way to do this?
 

DocWalker

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My only fear is that when you get your video recorder back for discovery it will be empty. They might set in near a big magnet or accidentally erase it...I know it would never happen but it does and more than one might think.
 

Difdi

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My only fear is that when you get your video recorder back for discovery it will be empty. They might set in near a big magnet or accidentally erase it...I know it would never happen but it does and more than one might think.

Spoliation of evidence tends to make the situation worse, not better, for the side that does it.

Therefor I would say a reasonable person knowing the law would not be alarmed to see someone doing something that is not illegal.

The thing about that, is that your average private citizen is assumed and expected to know the law. Ignorance of the law does not excuse a violation of it, and telling a court "oops, my bad, I didn't know" tends to end badly if you're a private citizen. Oddly though, a police officer (who has the same amount of legal training the average private citizen does PLUS specialized law enforcement training) often does get excused because they made 'honest mistakes'.

You can't have it both ways, but the system seems to have a blind spot built in that does exactly that. How is it that the more legal training you have, the easier it is to be excused for ignorance?
 
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