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Stop Lying

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Phoenix David

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...."The lie that Officer Wilson shot Brown while he had his hands up and was pleading “Don’t shoot.”

The lie that New York City policemen targeted Eric Garner for a violent arrest because he was black.

The lie, peddled especially by the progressive prince of New York City, Mayor de Blasio, that the police are racist.

These are the lies that fuel hatred for the police, because if the police routinely execute black men in cold blood and serve a thoroughly racist system, they deserve to be hated.

They should be the subject of nightly protests. They should be showered with obloquy."

http://nypost.com/2014/12/24/lying-about-the-cops/


Stop lying.

If you say a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes the truth.
 

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But when you said "Adding to that familiar song is the reminder that OCDO has no intention of being another CopWatch." to me, a member of CopWatch, it comes across as an abrasive statement. .

Overwatch/reacting/posting of singular incidents of negative contact/interaction with LEOs is not restricted generally......unless or until such becomes a campaign by one or more posters who repeatedly/frequently make a practice of it. Then rules/called decisions will be invoked.

Hope that clarifies.

I get very fatigued seeing Grape constantly reminding a few of us to "follow the Forum rules". More tedious is the reason he has to do it.
I have not read the "rules". I will, in time, but I have not yet read them. Some of the rule are blatantly abused on a regular basis so I am very aware of those.
I enjoy almost everyones input here. Please, give it a rest.

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I get very fatigued seeing Grape constantly reminding a few of us to "follow the Forum rules". More tedious is the reason he has to do it.
I have not read the "rules". I will, in time, but I have not yet read them. Some of the rule are blatantly abused on a regular basis so I am very aware of those.
I enjoy almost everyones input here. Please, give it a rest.

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Me too :p

Rules not read: It's been 3 years since you registered - no dessert for you.
 

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Me too :p

Rules not read: It's been 3 years since you registered - no dessert for you.

Smart, civil people shouldn't need the rules anyway. Rules are to remind idiots and a-holes how to act around smart, civil people.
 

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Hmmm. A good comparison, to express how I see this in comparison to what you have said (directed to Grapeshot), is real estate.


Let's say I build a shopping mall. Everyone may come and go as they please. Is that now public property or private property?
Private, of course. I, being the owner, can decide who can and cannot come onto the property. And we're not talking about franchise rights, either. Technically, and this may be outdated, if a mall owner says "John & Jane Doe of 123 City Street in Boogiewoogieville BFE" are not allowed on the mall property, franchises cannot trump this decision. And they likely won't dispute because those two people are not the primary income source of the franchise.

And that includes protests. If a group comes onto the property to do a protest, as CopWatch has done on occasion, I being the mall owner can say if they can do it or not. If so, cool. If not, then it's trespassing. At the same time, I, the mall owner, cannot say anything that is slanderous or libelous about the CopWatch group.


So Grape, when you say "another copWatch", I agree and understand. But when you say it like that it came across different than I suspect you intended.


Using the comparison of the shopping mall, Opencarry.org is private property. That, I realize recognize and respect. Rules are the rules, and my apologies for my transgressions on those rules.

And truly this is an Open Carry forum. I do not dispute that. The owner says "no long gun carry discussed", then no long gun carry is to be discussed. Not within reason, because within reason, this IS private property.

With that said Grape, I never (contrary to your opinion of course) disputed that. I only have a few opinions that you and the owners disagree with.
 

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...."The lie that Officer Wilson shot Brown while he had his hands up and was pleading “Don’t shoot.”

The lie that New York City policemen targeted Eric Garner for a violent arrest because he was black.

The lie, peddled especially by the progressive prince of New York City, Mayor de Blasio, that the police are racist.

These are the lies that fuel hatred for the police, because if the police routinely execute black men in cold blood and serve a thoroughly racist system, they deserve to be hated.

They should be the subject of nightly protests. They should be showered with obloquy."

http://nypost.com/2014/12/24/lying-about-the-cops/


Stop lying.

I believe the police policies bear much of the blame for these perceived "lies". The obvious and recorded inequities between policing blacks and whites is no longer being ignored.
Of course there are plenty justifications for these inequities, the most popular being the simplest and ironically most racist "well blacks commit more crimes". We must require police to treat every citizen equally regardless of race.
 

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Facts aren't racist. They can't be -- they're just facts. Like it or not doesn't matter.

In fact, most people use the words "racism" and "racist" erroneously, but that's not surprising given our sorry Public School System (IF kids actually attend, as many regularly cut class nowadays), and also given that most people get their "education" from TV (news media, sitcoms, etc.) or the movies. That's why the average American is so incredibly ignorant about almost everything of substance/importance. Even ignorant about reality. Or in denial.

So really, what kind of real education can you get from liberal sources? [a rhetorical question]
 
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Advocating for the unlawful profiling of a certain profiled people is racist, and illegal. Which is against the rules of OCDO.
 

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Advocating for the unlawful profiling of a certain profiled people is racist, and illegal. Which is against the rules of OCDO.
Cite profiling people is illegal.

Note I'll throw you a bone puppy. Might want to differentiate between racial profiling and criminal profiling. They are NOT one in the same. One is illegal one is not. You figure it out.
 
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Cite profiling people is illegal.

Note I'll throw you a bone puppy. Might want to differentiate between racial profiling and criminal profiling. They are NOT one in the same. One is illegal one is not. You figure it out.

Profiling based on race violates the civil rights act. Based on the fourteenth amendment.

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Profiling based on race is how and the why of federal civil rights violations by police under the color of law. That is exactly the hurdle that must be met to charge a police officer.

I am very surprised you do not know this for claiming to be a police officer. Be aware if you actually are a police officer you have just set yourself up to be prosecuted should you cross the line. Your post will be used against you.
 
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I thought he had admitted to being a candidate firefighter, many pages ago, as his explanation for so much time browsing the webz.

I doubt that he would have a job very long by either fire or police if they became aware of his posts, especially those advocating profiling based on race. Many officers have been fired for making this mistake.
 

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Cite profiling people is illegal.

Note I'll throw you a bone puppy. Might want to differentiate between racial profiling and criminal profiling. They are NOT one in the same. One is illegal one is not. You figure it out.
I'll plant this here... So everyone can see how much of a liar you are. For the 2 or 3 guys here who may not be versed in your ways yet.

I clearly asked for a cite. That's NOT advocating for anything. **** --Moderator edited/deleted insult--****
Second, I even explained that theres more then one kind of profiling and one is ILLEGAL. So again never advocated for anything. Ever.

But when has the truth ever mattered to you right?
I doubt that he would have a job very long by either fire or police if they became aware of his posts, especially those advocating profiling based on race. Many officers have been fired for making this mistake.
 
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I'll plant this here... So everyone can see how much of a liar you are. For the 2 or 3 guys here who may not be versed in your ways yet.

I clearly asked for a cite. That's NOT advocating for anything. **** --Moderator edited/deleted insult--****

Second, I even explained that theres more then one kind of profiling and one is ILLEGAL. So again never advocated for anything. Ever.

But when has the truth ever mattered to you right?

And I provided you a cite, now you violate the rules again by name calling. Add to that Grape already addressed broad brushing a race on this site is against the rules. Plus racial profiling has been against Mass state law since 2000, funny you are not aware of it.

Should you be involved in a shooting of a minority, your post will be used against you by the feds. And you deserve it.

https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/massachusetts-passes-racial-profiling-bill
 
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And I provided you a cite, now you violate the rules again by name calling. Add to that Grape already addressed broad brushing a race on this site is against the rules. Plus racial profiling has been against Mass state law since 2000, funny you are not aware of it.

Should you be involved in a shooting of a minority, your post will be used against you by the feds. And you deserve it.

https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/massachusetts-passes-racial-profiling-bill
Walkimgwolf.... No one has a said a word about race.... Except you. Go figure.

Your pulling an al sharpton. Harping race when it has nothing to do with it.

Ok I'm done. There's a famous line about arguing with someone whos dumb. Something about they will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.

It's been quoted. I nor anyone else except you mentioned profiling on race. But I'll let you have the podium.

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Walkimgwolf.... No one has a said a word about race.... Except you. Go figure.

Your pulling an al sharpton. Harping race when it has nothing to do with it.

Ok I'm done. There's a famous line about arguing with someone whos dumb. Something about they will drag you to your level and beat you with experience.

It's been quoted. I nor anyone else except you mentioned profiling on race. But I'll let you have the podium.

I did, and YOU responded, sorry if you put your cards on the table. Maybe you should get out of the game if you can't pay attention.

Advocating for the unlawful profiling of a certain profiled people is racist, and illegal. Which is against the rules of OCDO.
 
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The lie that Officer Darren Wilson even before he shot Brown, wasn't caught on video violating a man's rights and then lying about it on his official police report.

The lie that New York City policemen don't target minorities as proven by independent third party investigations.

The lie that Officer , killer of 12-year old Tamir Rice, hadn't been found 'unfit for duty as a police officer' two years previously by his the employer the Independence, Ohio PD.

The lie that a mentally challenged man ran forward and assaulted police officers with a knife in Dallas, TX forcing them to fire and kill the individual as their official police report indicates, despite video proof that it didn't happen at all like the officers testified.

The lie that 'the police are just regular guys, like you and me' when in actuality they are 2-4 times more likely than the general population to commit domestic violence against their partners.

The lie that there is no "blue wall of silence" despite what happens to those who expose corruption in their departments.

The lie that cops are honest and place service to the public above their own self serving interests. Even if they're only Border Patrol Agents and not real cops.

The blatant lie that cops face the same penalty for killing innocents as the general populace does.



Stop lying.
 

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Walkimgwolf.... No one has a said a word about race.... Except you. Go figure.
Hold on there a second, Hoss.

Who was it that said,
The lie that New York City policemen targeted Eric Garner for a violent arrest because he was black.

The lie, peddled especially by the progressive prince of New York City, Mayor de Blasio, that the police are racist.

These are the lies that fuel hatred for the police, because if the police routinely execute black men in cold blood and serve a thoroughly racist system, they deserve to be hated.

Are you saying that the words "black" and "racist" aren't words about race?
 
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