Should convicted felons be allowed to bear arms?

[georg jetson]

1) still doesn't rehab anything or anyone. So after someone "pays" their debt to you they are the same person.

2) what do we just arbitrarily assign a fee for say a&b? What is it 20 bucks for a punch in the head? Do I mow your lawn for a week? Wash your car? Change your oil? "Ok we are even I mowed you'd grass"



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1) Rehab? Irrelevant.

2) We already assign fees for these things... it's just a matter of who collects, gov or victim.

 

[Primus]

1) Rehab? Irrelevant.

2) We already assign fees for these things... it's just a matter of who collects, gov or victim.

Ok so what's the fee for simple a&b?

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[hhofent]

Well if that's the case then I misread your statement and we just disagree on things.

I believe that in cases of violent or serious crime (grave physical harm, massive monetary damage) a jury of one's peers, or a judge in the case of electing for a speedy trial (and not just missing out on a jury trial because you cannot afford it) should be able to strip a felon of certain rights upon a guilty verdict. After all are we not a nation?

Ok, maybe we're not on the same page, but we're in the same book now.
"should be able to"
Maybe.. But definitely not automatically.
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[wimwag]

Should YOU be allowed to own a firearm?



Are YOU willing to fight for the Rights of others?

I fight for others every time I stand up to an anti, stand down an anti gun LEO and in general every time I'm seen shopping with my kids, always legally armed.

People are less offended when the MWAG is a DWAG (dad with a gun, pervs...) While with my kids, I have never been accosted by anyone except one CC warrior and a security guard who let slip he was anti gun. (A representative from that resort has apologized via email and requested that I not expose my sidearm to possible chlorine contamination from rampaging waterspouts and conceal next time. Still anti OC but it is their property and kind of funny.)

 

[wimwag]

Ok so what's the fee for simple a&b?

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Fist in mouth?

 

[JoeSparky]

No, my issue was your suggesting the firearms were stolen. And I just asked how you knew they were stolen.

 

[wimwag]

No, my issue was your suggesting the firearms were stolen. And I just asked how you knew they were stolen.

And I answered that question.

 

[Logan 5]

You do the crime, you do the time, it should be over when you get out. Alleged victim is scared? Buy a gun. The government is not there to be anyone's babysitter.

Constitutional rights apply for everyone. And yif you're so confident that cops will protect you, think of Castle Rock v. Jessica Gonzales.

 

[OC for ME]

Why is a "gun" special, other than the fact that a bunch of elected azzhats said so. Are not felons "permitted" to owns big knives? Ball bats, shovels, cars, bow and arrow? State specific? Maybe? "Antique firearms" perhaps? Again state specific...maybe.

"No gun for felons laws" are nothing but punishing a citizen who has yet to "re-violate" the law. If the felon has served his time give him back his pistol(s). If he uses the pistol unlawfully toss him back in the cooler. until then, leave him be.

Statists love laws that limit liberty.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

and then what if they decided again to ignore the law and invade their home to harm them since a majority of any work an individual needs done is always at the home?

Besides, you could make an argument that forcing one to work for a man you wronged to "pay a debt" to be a form of involuntary servitude aka slavery.

Hopefully the homeowners would defend their castle with extreme prejudice.

Paying a debt was an approved form of servitude, even in the bible some became slaves for up to 7 years to pay a debt.

Yet that isn't what I am talking about. If you look at the history of compensation victims were compensated instead of what happens now where the state benefits while at the same time costing "society" more than it is ever repaid.

Depends on how you use "Nation". Because there is no constitutional grant for the Feds to even have the power or authority for this law.

 

[wimwag]

Why is a "gun" special, other than the fact that a bunch of elected azzhats said so. Are not felons "permitted" to owns big knives? Ball bats, shovels, cars, bow and arrow? State specific? Maybe? "Antique firearms" perhaps? Again state specific...maybe.

"No gun for felons laws" are nothing but punishing a citizen who has yet to "re-violate" the law. If the felon has served his time give him back his pistol(s). If he uses the pistol unlawfully toss him back in the cooler. until then, leave him be.

Statists love laws that limit liberty.

Bearing arms even means knives and swords.

 

[wimwag]

Hopefully the homeowners would defend their castle with extreme prejudice.

Paying a debt was an approved form of servitude, even in the bible some became slaves for up to 7 years to pay a debt.

Yet that isn't what I am talking about. If you look at the history of compensation victims were compensated instead of what happens now where the state benefits while at the same time costing "society" more than it is ever repaid.

Depends on how you use "Nation". Because there is no constitutional grant for the Feds to even have the power or authority for this law.

Do you have any gold reading about the old compensation system? My father was a teacher....and as a result I only woke up about 12 years ago.

 

[rDigital]

If you're too dangerous to own a gun, you're to dangerous to be out of jail.

Free people shall not be denied the RKBA.


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[Freedom1Man]

and then what if they decided again to ignore the law and invade their home to harm them since a majority of any work an individual needs done is always at the home?

Besides, you could make an argument that forcing one to work for a man you wronged to "pay a debt" to be a form of involuntary servitude aka slavery.

Read the amendment.

Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. History

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 

[Freedom1Man]

If you're too dangerous to own a gun, you're to dangerous to be out of jail.

Free people shall not be denied the RKBA.


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Amen to that.

 

[wimwag]

Read the amendment.

touché

 

[georg jetson]

Ok so what's the fee for simple a&b?

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??? I know you can read. What does your state say the fee(penalty) is?

 

[Primus]

??? I know you can read. What does your state say the fee(penalty) is?

That's the penalty to the state. I thought everyone wanted compensation to the victim. So what would the monetary fee paid to the victim be?

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[stealthyeliminator]

That's the penalty to the state. I thought everyone wanted compensation to the victim. So what would the monetary fee paid to the victim be?

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What do you believe it should be (that's not intended to be a loaded question, if you don't support the overall theory/method, just try to humor me)? I haven't come to any conclusions, myself. I'd be interested to see how people try and determine an appropriate amount, what factors they consider, etc.

 

[hhofent]

An eye for an eye has always been a great crime deterrent.

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