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Shipping a handgun to myself 594 issues?

1245A Defender

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Well,,,

We all say that we wont give our money to an anti gun business,,,, dont we?

Well, these shippers move millions of boxes every day!
They dont care what is in them! Unless...
You bend to their "policy".. telling them,, it is a gun!

Well dont do that!
Their is no LAW against shipping your own gun to yourself... Just an anti gun policy.

Go to the wrecking yard, buy a couple of pistons, connecting rods and some nut and bolts.
Pack them in a box with your gun and tell them its car parts when you ship it....

[flame suit unnecessary]




no sir, sorry your post didn't 'speak clearly' at all but rather you felt the need to raise your voice following with a condensing rant about my comprehension.

therefore, for the benefit of OC membership per your previous rant, you were asked to explain how you as a gun owner are going to ship a modern firearm from WA to NC w/o using an FFL on either end to complete the shipment.

please be explicit on which transportation entity you will be using as i am sure other members will utilize the same methodology in their shipping activities..

I eagerly await your reply.

ipse.

Well OK.. I told you and everybody else in post 16 above
exactly how "I" would ship my gun, to myself.
I would not be in violation of state or federal law.
It might be unethical, when I fail to disclose all the contents of the box.
 

MSG Laigaie

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FEDEX REFUSES TO SHIP PERFECTLY LEGAL DIY AR-15 CNC MACHINE

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/fedex-refuses-ship-perfectly-legal-diy-ar-15-cnc-machine/

“This device is capable of manufacturing firearms, and potentially by private individuals,” FedEx spokesperson Scott Fiedler told Wired in a statement.
“We are uncertain at this time whether this device is a regulated commodity by local, state or federal governments,” Fiedler continued. “As such, to ensure we comply with the applicable law and regulations, FedEx declined to ship this device until we know more about how it will be regulated.”
Wilson was blindsided by FedEx’s refusal to ship his product, not only because it’s perfectly legal but because of the relationship FedEx has developed with the nation’s gun lobby.


They will ship an actual gun, but not the machine that makes it.
 
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MAC702

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Ironically, the federally-operated United States Postal Service will ship it. Just not as efficiently, of course.
 

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You mean marked as a firearm in direct violation of 18 USC 922(e) which prohibits such markings?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

So, show us which statute prohibits using a C&R FFL for the purpose of meeting a common or contact carrier's terms of service.

you are correct...the common or contract carrier shall not require ~ external markings put on by the customer...

i'm sorry, aren't you suppose to declare the contents of the container to the common or contract carrier, you truly believe that they do not put a code on the shipping invoice it has a firearm or ammo inside? speaking of ammo...every time i ship ammo is has a big sticker on it 'ord'...hummmm wonder what that means?

ipse
 

MAC702

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......every time i ship ammo is has a big sticker on it 'ord'...hummmm wonder what that means?

I bought some alum powder to do some hide tanning, it has the same labeling. Many other chemicals are also shipped with ORM-D labeling. It doesn't mean "ordnance." It's "Other Regulated Material - Domestic."
 

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I bought some alum powder to do some hide tanning, it has the same labeling. Many other chemicals are also shipped with ORM-D labeling. It doesn't mean "ordnance." It's "Other Regulated Material - Domestic."


ORMDLabel.gif
 

MAC702

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Guess I never noticed that some of them have more specific written-out identifiers. Thanks. I usually just see the ones marked "Consumer Commodity."
 

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cant you go to a gun dealer and have them to deliver it to your local gun shop and pick it up,? I believe the shop charges $30 for the services.
 

solus

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That's the old labeling. The new labeling looks like this:

View attachment 13011

humm...seems we are both correct to a point, since according to the DOT...
quote: The ORM-D classification and the use of packagings marked “Consumer commodity, ORM-D” is authorized until December 31, 2020, for domestic highway, rail, andvessel transportation. unquote https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmc...ls_Markings_Labeling_and_Placarding_Guide.pdf

DOT forbids small arm cartridges to be xported via cargo air per 49CFR 172.101 Hazardous Materials Table 1...
symbol: D
Hazardous materials descriptions
and proper shipping namesCartridges,
small arms : ORM-D
Passenger aircraft/rail: 30 kg gross
Cargo aircraft only: Forbidden

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/172.101

ipse
 

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Why would something be allowed on passenger aircraft, but not cargo? The only thing I can think of it that it's likely to keep quantities down.

Or did that only apply to EXPORTS leaving the country?
 

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That doesn't change the fact that FedEx and UPS won't accept the shipment unless either the shipper or recipient is an FFL.

I have shipped several firearms to manufacturers and they have shipped them back to me via Fed EX no problem. The last Fed Ex driver told me he was not supposed to know the package contained a firearm but he knew because the manufacturers name was part of the return address.
 

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cant you go to a gun dealer and have them to deliver it to your local gun shop and pick it up,? I believe the shop charges $30 for the services.

Two FFLs involved = 2x$30 = $60.

if prior arrangements are not made w/distant end FFL to NOT open the package, then what you suggest Sono might/could/would be acceptable.

however, if distant end FFL opens the package, then the firearm must go into their A&D record and then you must now comply with distant end state and federal mandates.

not many FFLs i am familiar with would have that kinda trust with someone with they did not know intimately, personally and very very well...the immediate thought that comes to mind is a state or federal or or or (you pick the agency) sting operation...

ya grape i believe that is the going rate...but fedex is cheaper...

ipse
 
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"In 2001, the airline ended its passenger service, focusing exclusively on freight service."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines

"UPS is a cargo airline and has not been involved in passenger flights..."
http://www.snopes.com/undercover-parcel-service/
It is still legally passenger flights.

It has to do with how the cargo is loaded into the aircraft. I was air certified by UPS for their air transportation system. So while there are not passenger people on the the planes, the method of loading packages via shipping cans, makes it a passenger airline. If they were strapped to open pallet type loads then it would be cargo.

Thus when shipping "air safe" hazmats you can only ship passenger airline hazmats and not freight airline hazmats. So, UPS has the largest passenger airline in the country but no passengers.

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It is still legally passenger flights.

It has to do with how the cargo is loaded into the aircraft. I was air certified by UPS for their air transportation system. So while there are not passenger people on the the planes, the method of loading packages via shipping cans, makes it a passenger airline. If they were strapped to open pallet type loads then it would be cargo.

Thus when shipping "air safe" hazmats you can only ship passenger airline hazmats and not freight airline hazmats. So, UPS has the largest passenger airline in the country but no passengers.
Damn silly details in a world turned upside down - rule applies to passenger jet that doesn't carry passengers, but isn't a cargo jet.

The gobberment must have been involved because that is just plain nuts.
 
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