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Proposed MS LAW change concerning carrying deadly weapons

MedicineMan

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For our resident Attorneys, I offer the following text.

The idea is to have this REPLACE the current text in § 97-37-1.



Deadly weapons; carrying while concealed; use or attempt to use; penalties.

(1)

Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries concealed, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall upon conviction be
punished as follows:


(a)
By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, in the discretion of the court, for the first conviction under this section.


(b)
By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), and imprisonment in the county jail for not less than thirty (30) days nor more than six (6) months, for the second conviction under this section.


(c)
By imprisonment in the State Penitentiary for not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years, for the third or more convictions under this section.


(d)
By imprisonment in the State Penitentiary for not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years for any person previously convicted of any felony who is convicted under this section.

(2)

It shall not be a violation of this section for any person over the age of eighteen(18) years to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part within the confines of his own home or his place of business, or any real property associated with his home or business or within any motor vehicle.

(3)

It shall not be a violation of this section for any person to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part if the possessor of the weapon is then engaged in a legitimate weapon-related sports activity or is going to or returning from such activity. For purposes of this subsection, "legitimate weapon-related sports activity" means hunting, fishing, target shooting or any other legal sports activity which normally involves the use of a firearm or other weapon.

(4)

The term "Concealed" shall be applicable when a deadly weapon is carried hidden from common observation. A concealed weapon shall be one that is not visible to a casual observer and/or readily identifiable as a firearm.
 

MedicineMan

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Another for the lawyers......

The following changes in BOLD need to be introduced to legislature.......

§ 45-9-101. License to carry concealed pistol or revolver.

(1)
(a)
The Department of Public Safety is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed pistols or revolvers to persons qualified as provided in this section. Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of four (4) years from the date of issuance. Any person possessing a valid license issued pursuant to this section may carry a concealed pistol or concealed revolver.

(b)
The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is carrying a concealed pistol or revolver and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. A violation of the provisions of this paragraph (b) shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) and shall be enforceable by summons.

(2)
The Department of Public Safety shall issue a license if the applicant:

(a)
Is a resident of the state and has been a resident for twelve (12) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application. However, this residency requirement may be waived, provided the applicant possesses a valid permit from another state, is active military personnel stationed in Mississippi or is a retired law enforcement officer establishing residency in the state;

(b)
Is twenty-one (21) years of age or older;

(c)
Does not suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a pistol or revolver;

(d)
Is not ineligible to possess a firearm by virtue of having been convicted of a felony in a court of this state, of any other state, or of the United States without having been pardoned for same;

(e)
Does not chronically or habitually abuse controlled substances to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses controlled substances to the extent that his faculties are impaired if the applicant has been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a treatment facility for the abuse of a controlled substance or been found guilty of a crime under the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Substances Law or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances within a three-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted;

(f)
Does not chronically and habitually use alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired if the applicant has been voluntarily or involuntarily committed as an alcoholic to a treatment facility or has been convicted of two (2) or more offenses related to the use of alcohol under the laws of this state or similar laws of any other state or the United States within the three-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted;

(g)
Desires a legal means to carry a concealed pistol or revolver to defend himself;

(h)
Has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent, or has waited five (5) years from the date of his restoration to capacity by court order;

(i)
Has not been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or mental health treatment facility unless he possesses a certificate from a psychiatrist licensed in this state that he has not suffered from disability for a period of five (5) years;

(j)
Has not had adjudication of guilt withheld or imposition of sentence suspended on any felony unless three (3) years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled;

(k)
Is not a fugitive from justice; and

(l)
Is not disqualified to possess or own a weapon based on federal law.

(3)
The Department of Public Safety may deny a license if the applicant has been found guilty of one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor unless three (3) years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled or expunction has occurred prior to the date on which the application is submitted, or may revoke a license if the licensee has been found guilty of one or more crimes of violence within the preceding three (3) years. The department shall, upon notification by a law enforcement agency or a court and subsequent written verification, suspend a license or the processing of an application for a license if the licensee or applicant is arrested or formally charged with a crime which would disqualify such person from having a license under this section, until final disposition of the case. The provisions of subsection (7) of this section shall apply to any suspension or revocation of a license pursuant to the provisions of this section.

(4)
The application shall be completed, under oath, on a form promulgated by the Department of Public Safety and shall include only:

(a)
The name, address, place and date of birth, race, sex and occupation of the applicant;

(b)
The driver's license number or Social Security number of applicant;

(c)
Any previous address of the applicant for the two (2) years preceding the date of the application;

(d)
A statement that the applicant is in compliance with criteria contained within subsections (2) and (3) of this section;

(e)
A statement that the applicant has been furnished a copy of this section and is knowledgeable of its provisions;

(f)
A conspicuous warning that the application is executed under oath and that a knowingly false answer to any question, or the knowing submission of any false document by the applicant, subjects the applicant to criminal prosecution; and

(g)
A statement that the applicant desires a legal means to carry a concealed pistol or revolver to defend himself.

(5)
The applicant shall submit only the following to the Department of Public Safety:

(a)
A completed application as described in subsection (4) of this section;

(b)
A full-face photograph of the applicant;

(c)
A non refundable license fee of One Hundred Dollars ($100.00). Costs for processing the set of fingerprints as required in paragraph (c) of this subsection shall be borne by the applicant. Honorably retired law enforcement officers shall be exempt from the payment of the license fee;

(d)
A full set of fingerprints of the applicant administered by the Department of Public Safety; and

(e)
A waiver authorizing the Department of Public Safety access to any records concerning commitments of the applicant to any of the treatment facilities or institutions referred to in subsection (2) and permitting access to all the applicant's criminal records.

(6)
(a)
The Department of Public Safety, upon receipt of the items listed in subsection (5) of this section, shall forward the full set of fingerprints of the applicant to the appropriate agencies for state and federal processing.

(b)
The Department of Public Safety shall forward a copy of the applicant's application to the sheriff of the applicant's county of residence and, if applicable, the police chief of the applicant's municipality of residence. The sheriff of the applicant's county of residence and, if applicable, the police chief of the applicant's municipality of residence may, at his discretion, participate in the process by submitting a voluntary report to the Department of Public Safety containing any readily discoverable prior information that he feels may be pertinent to the licensing of any applicant. The reporting shall be made within thirty (30) days after the date he receives the copy of the application. Upon receipt of a response from a sheriff or police chief, such sheriff or police chief shall be reimbursed at a rate set by the department.

(c)
The Department of Public Safety shall, within one hundred twenty (120) days after the date of receipt of the items listed in subsection (5) of this section:
(i) Issue the license; or
(ii) Deny the application based solely on the ground that the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed in subsections (2) and (3) of this section. If the Department of Public Safety denies the application, it shall notify the applicant in writing, stating the ground for denial, and the denial shall be subject to the appeal process set forth in subsection (7).

(d)
In the event a legible set of fingerprints, as determined by the Department of Public Safety and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, cannot be obtained after a minimum of three (3) attempts, the Department of Public Safety shall determine eligibility based upon a name check by the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol and a Federal Bureau of Investigation name check conducted by the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol at the request of the Department of Public Safety.

(7)
(a)
If the Department of Public Safety denies the issuance of a license, or suspends or revokes a license, the party aggrieved may appeal such denial, suspension or revocation to the Commissioner of Public Safety, or his authorized agent, within thirty (30) days after the aggrieved party receives written notice of such denial, suspension or revocation. The Commissioner of Public Safety, or his duly authorized agent, shall rule upon such appeal within thirty (30) days after the appeal is filed and failure
to rule within this thirty-day period shall constitute sustaining such denial, suspension or revocation. Such review shall be conducted pursuant to such reasonable rules and regulations as the Commissioner of Public Safety may adopt.

(b)
If the revocation, suspension or denial of issuance is sustained by the Commissioner of Public Safety, or his duly authorized agent pursuant to paragraph(a) of this subsection, the aggrieved party may file within ten (10) days after the rendition of such decision a petition in the circuit or county court of his residence for review of such decision. A hearing for review shall be held and shall proceed before the court without a jury upon the record made at the hearing before the Commissioner of Public Safety or his duly authorized agent. No such party shall be allowed to carry a concealed pistol or revolver pursuant to the provisions of this section while any such appeal is pending.

(8)
The Department of Public Safety shall maintain an automated listing of license holders and such information shall be available on-line, upon request, at all times, to all law enforcement agencies through the Mississippi Crime Information Center. However, the records of the department relating to applications for licenses to carry concealed pistols or revolvers and records relating to license holders shall be exempt from the provisions of the Mississippi Public Records Act of 1983 for a period of forty-five (45) days from the date of the issuance of the license or the final denial of an application.

(9)
Within thirty (30) days after the changing of a permanent address, or within thirty (30) days after having a license lost or destroyed, the licensee shall notify the Department of Public Safety in writing of such change or loss. Failure to notify the Department of Public Safety pursuant to the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) and shall be enforceable by a summons.

(10)
In the event that a concealed pistol or revolver license is lost or destroyed, the person to whom the license was issued shall comply with the provisions of subsection (9) of this section and may obtain a duplicate, or substitute thereof, upon payment of Fifteen Dollars ($15.00) to the Department of Public Safety, and furnishing a notarized statement to the department that such license has been lost or destroyed.

(11)
A license issued under this section shall be revoked if the licensee becomes ineligible under the criteria set forth in subsection (2) of this section.

(12)
No less than ninety (90) days prior to the expiration date of the license, the Department of Public Safety shall mail to each licensee a written notice of the expiration and a renewal form prescribed by the department. The licensee must renew his license on or before the expiration date by filing with the department the renewal form, a notarized affidavit stating that the licensee remains qualified pursuant to the criteria specified in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, and a full set of fingerprints administered by the Department of Public Safety. A renewal fee of Fifty Dollars ($50.00) shall be submitted along with costs for processing the fingerprints; provided, however, that honorably retired law enforcement officers shall be exempt from this renewal fee. The Department of Public Safety shall forward the full set of fingerprints of the applicant to the appropriate agencies for state and federal processing. The license shall be renewed upon receipt of the completed renewal application and appropriate payment of fees. Additionally, a licensee who fails to file a renewal application on or before its expiration date must renew his license by paying a late fee of Fifteen Dollars ($15.00). No license shall be renewed six (6) months or more after its expiration date, and such license shall be deemed to be permanently expired. A person whose license has been permanently expired may reapply for licensure; however, an application for licensure and fees pursuant to subsection (5) of this section must be submitted, and a background investigation shall be conducted pursuant to the provisions of this section.

(13)
No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver into any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1,Mississippi Code of 1972; any police, sheriff or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom; any polling place; any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any public park unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any portion of an establishment, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, that is primarily devoted to dispensing alcoholic beverages; any portion of an establishment in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises, that is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any junior college, community college, college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment ,for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; [strike]any church or other place of worship[/strike]; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in anyplace in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited." No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize the participants in a parade or demonstration for which a permit is required to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.

(14)
A law enforcement officer as defined in Section 45-6-3, chiefs of police, sheriffs and persons licensed as professional bondsmen pursuant to Chapter 39, Title 83,Mississippi Code of 1972, shall be exempt from the licensing requirements of this section.

(15)
Any person who knowingly submits a false answer to any question on an application for a license issued pursuant to this section, or who knowingly submits a false document when applying for a license issued pursuant to this section, shall, upon conviction, be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished as provided in Section 99-19-31, Mississippi Code of 1972.

(16)
All fees collected by the Department of Public Safety pursuant to this section shall be deposited into a special fund hereby created in the State Treasury and shall be used for implementation and administration of this section. After the close of each fiscal year the balance in this fund shall be certified to the Legislature and then may be used by the Department of Public Safety as directed by the Legislature.

(17)
All funds received by a sheriff or police chief pursuant to the provisions of this section shall be deposited into the general fund of the county or municipality, as appropriate, and shall be budgeted to the sheriff's office or police department as appropriate.

(18)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to require or allow the registration, documentation or providing of serial numbers with regard to any firearm. Further, nothing in this section shall be construed to FORBID the open and unconcealed carrying of any deadly weapon as described in Section 97-37-1, Mississippi Code of1972.

(19)
Any person holding a valid unrevoked and unexpired license to carry concealed pistols or revolvers issued in another state having requirements substantially similar to those of this state shall have such license recognized by this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers, provided that the issuing state authorizes license holders from this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers in such issuing state and the appropriate authority has communicated that fact to the Department of Public Safety.

(20)
The provisions of this section shall be under the supervision of the Commissioner of Public Safety. The commissioner is authorized to promulgate reasonable rules and regulations, in accordance with the Article 3, Section 12 of the CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI , to carry out the provisions of this section.
 

JimMullinsWVCDL

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Additional definition of concealed

For our resident Attorneys, I offer the following text.

The idea is to have this REPLACE the current text in § 97-37-1.
So far, so good. However, I would suggest adding the following at the very end of proposed subsection (4):

Furthermore, for the purposes of this section, a pistol, revolver or other firearm shall not be considered concealed if it is carried in: (a) a manner where any portion of the firearm or holster in which the firearm is carried is visible; (b) a holster that is wholly or partially visible; (c) a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible; (d) luggage; or (e) a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.

This language is in addition to and not in lieu of what has already been proposed. This language is derived from Arizona Revised Statutes § 13-3102(B)(3), which clarifies what is open carry for individuals under the age of 21 who are not permitted to carry a concealed weapon under Arizona law.
 

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Just curious, is the intent here to allow the carry of DEADLY WEAPONS or FIREARMS?

Yes, I know a firearm is a deadly weapon but not all deadly weapons are firearms. Someone that might not have a problem with legislation that allows the carry of a firearm might have a problem with the idea of allowing any deadly weapon. If the intent behind changing the legislation is firearm related, I think the proposed language change should stress that and not "deadly weapons".

Just my 2c.

Addendum: I also agree with the language WVCDL included in his reply!
 
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MS constitution section 12: "The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the Legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons. "

therefore the legislature can not regulate or forbid the carrying openly or possession of arms, which includes deadly weapons not firearms alone.
 

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MS constitution section 12: "The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the Legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons. "

therefore the legislature can not regulate or forbid the carrying openly or possession of arms, which includes deadly weapons not firearms alone.

Roger that. What I'm sayin is, as a matter of language alone, the term "firearm" may be more acceptable to the uneducated than "deadly weapon". And acceptance is much of what we strive for is it not? Much the same as open carry of a sidearm in our daily activities works to gain acceptance of such by the general public, the open carry of an AK47, while possibly legal, does little or nothing to gain acceptance in the general public.
 

MedicineMan

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Okay.....

FIRST,
The extemporaneous text suggested for longarms, cases, and vehicles is not needed.
We can already carry longarms, cased weapons, and in ANY vehicle "concealed or otherwise".

SECOND,
We need allowance for "DEADLY WEAPONS" because that is the terminology used in the MS CODE.
And if one chooses to carry a SWORD or a "baton", then those should be allowed as well.

AND...
MS has laws are not as messed up as some think.
TINY changes can make a huge difference.

I have studied the MS CODE for the past 10+ years.
I know this sounds like small changes, but they really are the only ones needed to clear up the law.
 

turbodog

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Okay.....

SECOND,
We need allowance for "DEADLY WEAPONS" because that is the terminology used in the MS CODE.
And if one chooses to carry a SWORD or a "baton", then those should be allowed as well.

LOL Don't misunderstand, I get what you mean and wasn't argueing against trying to get things changed, just sayin I thought the choice of words would make it harder to accomplish. I've been wrong before and you do say that wording is already in the code, so maybe it won't be as hard a sell as I'm thinkin. Seriously, I do wish you luck on getting it worked out.
 

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Roger that. What I'm sayin is, as a matter of language alone, the term "firearm" may be more acceptable to the uneducated than "deadly weapon". And acceptance is much of what we strive for is it not? Much the same as open carry of a sidearm in our daily activities works to gain acceptance of such by the general public, the open carry of an AK47, while possibly legal, does little or nothing to gain acceptance in the general public.

If protections are made for firearms or pistols alone, and prohibitions are left on other weapons, the problem has not been fixed. Or are you trying to suggest that only the liberties YOU care about should be protected? I'm for protecting ALL rights. If I care to carry a large knife that could be called a dirk or deadly weapon I want to do so within the law.
 

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If protections are made for firearms or pistols alone, and prohibitions are left on other weapons, the problem has not been fixed. Or are you trying to suggest that only the liberties YOU care about should be protected? I'm for protecting ALL rights. If I care to carry a large knife that could be called a dirk or deadly weapon I want to do so within the law.

I don't think that's what he meant.
I think it was just not knowing how many different sections of the MS CODE would have to be altered if the term "Deadly Weapon" was not used.

Let's not get bogged down or start arguing please.

I am calling for Mississippians to try and get changes made that would mean a lot to us.

Either my suggestion above, or one better..... doesn't matter as long as we get er done.
 

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§ 97-37-1. Deadly weapons; carrying while concealed; use or attempt to use; penalties.






(1) Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries, concealed in whole or in part, EXCEPT BY SHIETH OR HOLSTER, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall upon conviction be punished as follows:




(a) By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, in the discretion of the court, for the first conviction under this section.




(b) By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), and imprisonment in the county jail for not less than thirty (30) days nor more than six (6) months, for the second conviction under this section.




(c) By confinement in the custody of the Department of Corrections for not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years, for the third or subsequent conviction under this section.




(d) By confinement in the custody of the Department of Corrections for not less than one (1) year nor more than ten (10) years for any person previously convicted of any felony who is convicted under this section.




(2) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person over the age of eighteen (18) years to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part within the confines of his own home or his place of business, or any real property associated with his home or business or within any motor vehicle.




(3) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part if the possessor of the weapon is then engaged in a legitimate weapon-related sports activity or is going to or returning from such activity. For purposes of this subsection, "legitimate weapon-related sports activity" means hunting, fishing, target shooting or any other legal sports activity which normally involves the use of a firearm or other weapon.
 
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