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Open Carry Questions in Kentucky and Fixing our Culture

calnus

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I am sort of new to the whole Open Carry thing, so a quick few questions I wanted to ask all of my new pals on here.

1. Do I need a permit or anything to do this in Kentucky?
2. Do you get bogged down by the cops if you have it out in the open?
3. Can a cop legally require you to show them anything to prove you can do this?
4. I have an MP Shield 9mm, what would your choice of holster be for this smaller gun?

To give a quick background. I have been to poor to afford much of anything until recently (thanks Trump tax cuts) when I got a great opportunity. The first gun I have ever bought myself was my MP shield 9mm. Until recently I have just kept it at home safe just in case I needed it, occassionally practicing outside when I am not to busy with work. But recently where I live (I am staying anon), it has gotten a little more....weird? Drugs are a bigger problem in my community than I realized when I first came here. We get some real crazies bothering people lately. I wanted to open carry to signal to people as a deterrent.

There is this other thing, since David Hogg, I became a member of the NRA. I work a lot in Meme Culture in my off time and I am surprised by how Culturally Unpopular guns can be. I wanted to start Open Carry to advocate for Gun Rights, and to normalize the idea of guns being a good rather than a bad. I realize that the way to change requires both sound arguments and altering perceptions.

My goal is to change things be encouraging people to be more Open with their support for the 2nd amendment and love of Guns. My view is we already won the battle in the Arena of Ideas and Facts, the next step to Change will be to alter the culture and its perceptions of people who carry openly by having more of them.
 

gutshot II

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Welcome to OCDO. You are not required to have any paperwork to open carry in Ky. Open Carry has been legal since 1792 when Ky. first became a state. For over 100 years prior to 1996, open carry was the ONLY legal way to carry a gun in Ky. It may be a new idea to you, but is not to most people. Most cops know that OC is legal. If they don't, they are poorly trained. Police can only legally stop people who they suspect of criminal activity. Open carry (OC) is not criminal activity. I have only been approached by police on a few occasions. When it happens, I just walk away. If they demand that I stop, I just remain quiet and refuse to speak to them. They soon tire of this and leave me alone. Talking to police can only cause you problems. They want you to talk yourself into an arrest. You are doing nothing illegal. How can talking make that better? It can only make it worse. Police are trained to get you to incriminate (that word means to admit to a crime) yourself. Don't help them by talking. What can they do to you? Arrest you? What would be the charge? There is none available to them.

The majority of people are in favor of gun ownership but have become intimidated by the media prejudices and the loud voices of the opposition. When I am OC, I get a lot of comments on my gun. The remarks are at least 10 to 1 favorable. Many people say things like, "I wish I could do that" or something similar. When asked why they don't do it, they say things like, "my boss wouldn't like it" or "my wife(girlfriend) won't like it". If you decide to OC the first thing that you will find out, is that most people will not even see it. The next thing is that most of those that do see it, don't care.

As far as a holster goes, there are lots of choices. Leather or kydex are good, but I'd stay away from nylon. If you are going to OC, retention is required. It doesn't matter if the retention is a strap or mechanical. Good luck.
 

color of law

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As far as a holster goes, there are lots of choices. Leather or kydex are good, but I'd stay away from nylon. If you are going to OC, retention is required. It doesn't matter if the retention is a strap or mechanical. Good luck.
Retention is not required, but it is prudent. I use a Blackhawk Serpa. Level two retention. It has served me well.
 

solus

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I am sort of new to the whole Open Carry thing, so a quick few questions I wanted to ask all of my new pals on here.

1. Do I need a permit or anything to do this in Kentucky?
2. Do you get bogged down by the cops if you have it out in the open?
3. Can a cop legally require you to show them anything to prove you can do this?
4. I have an MP Shield 9mm, what would your choice of holster be for this smaller gun?

To give a quick background. I have been to poor to afford much of anything until recently (thanks Trump tax cuts) when I got a great opportunity. The first gun I have ever bought myself was my MP shield 9mm. Until recently I have just kept it at home safe just in case I needed it, occassionally practicing outside when I am not to busy with work. But recently where I live (I am staying anon), it has gotten a little more....weird? Drugs are a bigger problem in my community than I realized when I first came here. We get some real crazies bothering people lately. I wanted to open carry to signal to people as a deterrent.

There is this other thing, since David Hogg, I became a member of the NRA. I work a lot in Meme Culture in my off time and I am surprised by how Culturally Unpopular guns can be. I wanted to start Open Carry to advocate for Gun Rights, and to normalize the idea of guns being a good rather than a bad. I realize that the way to change requires both sound arguments and altering perceptions.

My goal is to change things be encouraging people to be more Open with their support for the 2nd amendment and love of Guns. My view is we already won the battle in the Arena of Ideas and Facts, the next step to Change will be to alter the culture and its perceptions of people who carry openly by having more of them.

Welcome to the nation’s premier OC forum, your goals are quite suitable for today’s environment.

Please look around at other recent OC KY threads and you will discern one which is promoting a CC gathering [ya ya i know, i too questioned why the OP would promote a CC gathering on the OC forum...] but hey, may/will put you in touch with locals who carry depending on your locale!

As for holster, you must decide retention or not coupled with your cost mandates so instead of leather e.g., De Santis 019 X7

[ https://www.desantisholster.com/mini-scabbard/ ] or an adjustable nylon holster, e.g., uncle mike’s, may be the best option at the moment.

Finally, while you have not stated the obvious, might I suggest you check out the NRA’s site and if you haven’t to date, take the basic pistol course to renew your handgun knowledge/skills.

Best & Carry on and stay in touch with us.
 

color of law

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Welcome to OCDO, calnus.

You'll soon learn to ignore the unproductive squabbling.
One mans squabbling is another mans clarification. I proof read legal briefs almost on a daily basses. Other than spelling, I read for punctuation, meaning, or to what message is attempting to be conveyed is clear as to what is intended. The last thing an attorney wants is their message or argument misunderstood.

This forum deals with a lot of legal questions and, in light of that, general statements therefore must be looked at with suspect.

Just say'n.
 

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hummm...er....CoL, not to be picky or anything but if you check for spelling, etc., shouldn't basses = basis ?

ROFLMAO...ya me picky, never...thanks i needed that CoL!

Ignore the squabbling...why KBCraig?
 

gutshot II

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The implication was there.
The implication was there.
One mans squabbling is another mans clarification. I proof read legal briefs almost on a daily basses. Other than spelling, I read for punctuation, meaning, or to what message is attempting to be conveyed is clear as to what is intended. The last thing an attorney wants is their message or argument misunderstood.

This forum deals with a lot of legal questions and, in light of that, general statements therefore must be looked at with suspect.

Just say'n.

When you "proof read" these legal briefs, do you insert and delete words on your own? I suspect that you do not. If you find my words "unclear", feel free to ask what I meant but do not assume you know what I meant better than I know what I meant. I implied nothing. If you inferred something from what I wrote, that is your mistake. Inferences are always risky.
 

color of law

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When you "proof read" these legal briefs, do you insert and delete words on your own? I suspect that you do not. If you find my words "unclear", feel free to ask what I meant but do not assume you know what I meant better than I know what I meant. I implied nothing. If you inferred something from what I wrote, that is your mistake. Inferences are always risky.
When you "proof read" these legal briefs, do you insert and delete words on your own? I suspect that you do not.
Well you would be incorrect. That is what proof reading is all about. Adding words(s) in red caps and [strike]delete[/strike] words with strikethrough. And, even asking questions, example Did you mean this or that?

If you find my words "unclear", feel free to ask what I meant but do not assume you know what I meant better than I know what I meant.
I believe I challenged your choice of words. Most people will not ask for clarification. They will take it as it appears, assume.

I implied nothing. If you inferred something from what I wrote, that is your mistake. Inferences are always risky.
More of a reason for you to write clearly and precisely so your statements are not misunderstood. It is your job not to unintentionally mislead.
 

HP995

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There is this other thing, since David Hogg, I became a member of the NRA. I work a lot in Meme Culture in my off time and I am surprised by how Culturally Unpopular guns can be. I wanted to start Open Carry to advocate for Gun Rights, and to normalize the idea of guns being a good rather than a bad. I realize that the way to change requires both sound arguments and altering perceptions.

My goal is to change things be encouraging people to be more Open with their support for the 2nd amendment and love of Guns. My view is we already won the battle in the Arena of Ideas and Facts, the next step to Change will be to alter the culture and its perceptions of people who carry openly by having more of them.

Amen brother. This is the attitude we need for the future, I quoted you in support.

We have to win the culture. In that arena (unlike facts) we are at a HUGE disadvantage. Kids (age 5 to 25) are literally brainwashed. At school and college they are literally required to agree with radical nonsense or be punished. At home they are targeted by the same messages in pop culture. OC4Me has pointed out in a recent thread that he has his own kids in line, which has my two thumbs up and would be a great comfort to me if only he had sired more than 50% of future voters, but I doubt that's the case. :) The threat is extremely real. A pro-gun Supreme Court could hold the line for a few years, but eventually voters will have their way. Thus the future is the mind of future voters, and that's where the antis are focusing their biggest efforts.

Wish I could say the same about 2A supporters. Too much stuck in the present! We need to reach those kids too, and give them what they need to carry the torch. We can't just depend on the children of current gun owners; need to reach others too and convert some. Gun culture war. And big tech's current effort to silence non-socialist online opinions isn't giving us any advantage either. Big battles to win.

Welcome and keep on meming.
 

gutshot II

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Well you would be incorrect. That is what proof reading is all about. Adding words(s) in red caps and [strike]delete[/strike] words with strikethrough. And, even asking questions, example Did you mean this or that?

I believe I challenged your choice of words. Most people will not ask for clarification. They will take it as it appears, assume.

More of a reason for you to write clearly and precisely so your statements are not misunderstood. It is your job not to unintentionally mislead.

Yes, exactly, but you didn't ask me what I meant and now have accused me of "intentionally misleading" you, when in fact you just assumed too much. Are you now able to predict my intentions? You are quite the psychic. Are there any thoughts in my mind that you don't know?

Assumptions are even riskier that inferences

Some people try to "misunderstand" so that they will have something to carp about.
 

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Yes, exactly, but you didn't ask me what I meant and now have accused me of "intentionally misleading" you, when in fact you just assumed too much. Are you now able to predict my intentions? You are quite the psychic. Are there any thoughts in my mind that you don't know?

Assumptions are even riskier that inferences

Some people try to "misunderstand" so that they will have something to carp about.
You conveniently ignored my statement, “I challenged your choice of words.”

Blacks Law Dictionary:
REQUIRE - To direct, order, demand, instruct, command, claim, compel, need, exact. State ex reI. Frohmiller v. Hendrix, 59 Ariz. 184, 124 P.2d 768, 773. To be in need of. To ask for authoritatively or imperatively. State v. Community Distributors, Inc., 123 N.J. Super. 589, 304 A2d 213, 217.

Webster’s Dictionary:
REQUIER – To demand; to claim as by right and authority; to exact; as, to require the surrender of property. To demand or exact as necessary or appropriate; to need; call for; as, the matter requires haste. To impose a compulsion upon; compel.

Who's ordering, compelling, demanding or instructing that retention is required to open carrying?
 

gutshot II

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You conveniently ignored my statement, “I challenged your choice of words.”

Blacks Law Dictionary:
REQUIRE - To direct, order, demand, instruct, command, claim, compel, need, exact. State ex reI. Frohmiller v. Hendrix, 59 Ariz. 184, 124 P.2d 768, 773. To be in need of. To ask for authoritatively or imperatively. State v. Community Distributors, Inc., 123 N.J. Super. 589, 304 A2d 213, 217.

Webster’s Dictionary:
REQUIER – To demand; to claim as by right and authority; to exact; as, to require the surrender of property. To demand or exact as necessary or appropriate; to need; call for; as, the matter requires haste. To impose a compulsion upon; compel.

Who's ordering, compelling, demanding or instructing that retention is required to open carrying?

It is not a "who". It is a "what" and I have already said that it is required by prudence and good sense. I stand by that statement, no matter whether you approve or not. I do not "require" your approval.
 

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It is not a "who". It is a "what" and I have already said that it is required by prudence and good sense. I stand by that statement, no matter whether you approve or not. I do not "require" your approval.
So, you are saying that anybody “who” does NOT use a retention mechanism while open carrying has NO good sense. Simply, you are calling those “who” choose to open carry at level one stupid.
Do those stupid open carriers "require" your approval to open carry?
 

gutshot II

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So, you are saying that anybody “who” does NOT use a retention mechanism while open carrying has NO good sense. Simply, you are calling those “who” choose to open carry at level one stupid.
Do those stupid open carriers "require" your approval to open carry?

I am beginning to question your reading ability. I said none of those things. Are you assuming again? Do you think that I implied these things again? Try to restrict your replies to some semblance of reality.
 
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