Open Carry news story regarding someone carrying in the mall

[Freedom1Man]

+1. If I want to start a business and not serve specific groups I should be allowed to. The consumers can then decide if my business is going to fail or thrive.

No license required then. I'll agree with you.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

If that was in response to my post, I hope you understand why I posted the two views.

It was a general statement on the topic, of "protected" classes, we have a nation of give me's and I deserve special attention because........

I understand the problem of discrimination and sympathize with it, but the government fix (licensing is part of that scheme) has created more problems than it solves.

We all have disabilities and are not "normal" in some way, we must just learn to live with our shortcomings and try to use our weaknesses to strengthen our stronger abilities.

 

[MSG Laigaie]

So if one is carrying concealed, and nobody see's it, is it really there???

Attempt to rob "one" and find out.

 

[sirpuma]

Later in the day Mendiola said now that he knows it’s against the mall’s rules to bring a firearm on the premises, he’ll respect that and leave his gun at home.

Hmm, I will respect their right to their rules and not shop there.

 

[sirpuma]

Even if Sears is firearms friendly and follows Washington State law (and I'm not sure what Sears Corporate says about that), by Sears being a leasee of the mall would they not fall under the mall owner's rules (or however it might be written into their contract)?

So, even if he entered by the Sears door, shopped only in Sears, and never stepped into the mall proper, and left by the Sears door, the mall owners (by their representatives i.e. mall cops) could trespass him... correct?

OR we can push the "public accommodation" in that that while the mall is a private business, by being open to the public, the public can enter to do business and the public does not lose their Constitutional rights (as long as it does not interfere with the business... i.e. standing in the middle of Sears waving a Bible or Koran and shouting out about the End of the World would be interfering).

LINK: Judge Napolitano on Gun Rights

When a business leases or rents a space it becomes their private property just like when you rent a house it becomes your private property. The rental/lease contract give the leaser all rights. If Sears has a "follow state law" rule for their stores then the employee was very in the wrong and the mall cannot tell Sears to kick out customers who are armed.

 

[Batousaii]

I feel there should be no such thing as "protected" classes on private property.

This would actually be the better way to go. to be honest, I don't think there should be protected classes period. My statement on gun owners being a protected class was meant to imply that we have an actual amendment that stands behind us, and the government should head that.
- If prodded, my final answer is to always lean toward natural equality and liberty, where one has the rights to feel and do as they please so long as they are not hurting anyone else (save for elf defense, etc.). At least thats the simple version, there are always complexities in the details.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

This would actually be the better way to go. to be honest, I don't think there should be protected classes period. My statement on gun owners being a protected class was meant to imply that we have an actual amendment that stands behind us, and the government should head that.
- If prodded, my final answer is to always lean toward natural equality and liberty, where one has the rights to feel and do as they please so long as they are not hurting anyone else (save for elf defense, etc.). At least thats the simple version, there are always complexities in the details.

True, isn't it odd that we actually have a fundamental right protected and enumerated from infringement, yet rights the government hands out for votes are the ones that get the most protection?

I'll have to do more prodding.....hehehe..

 

[Freedom1Man]

This would actually be the better way to go. to be honest, I don't think there should be protected classes period. My statement on gun owners being a protected class was meant to imply that we have an actual amendment that stands behind us, and the government should head that.
- If prodded, my final answer is to always lean toward natural equality and liberty, where one has the rights to feel and do as they please so long as they are not hurting anyone else (save for elf defense, etc.). At least thats the simple version, there are always complexities in the details.

Yes one must always defend elves.

 

[Flopsweat]

Yes one must always defend elves.

It's a matter of elf respect. And remember to support our right to arm bears!

 

[bmg50cal]

Oh no, another thread derailment by intended pun. :uhoh:

Back onto the topic of baring arms, on a related note I like bare legs better.

 

[Flopsweat]

Hey. I could have gotten into the whole "Respect your elf" thing, or "You'd better check your elf before you wreck your elf" but I didn't. Kinda.

 

[OrangeIsTrouble]

Can anybody pinpoint this guy on fb? There are too many profiles with his name. The guy needs to be brought in here and edumacated. Got the spirit but needs the guidance. Especially in vancouver. He may get birked.

 

[gogodawgs]

Can anybody pinpoint this guy on fb? There are too many profiles with his name. The guy needs to be brought in here and edumacated. Got the spirit but needs the guidance. Especially in vancouver. He may get birked.

I will be in Vancouver on Saturday for the Packin' Heat Meet & Greet, if he is there I will ask... https://www.facebook.com/events/194084497399662/

 

[Lord Sega]

When a business leases or rents a space it becomes their private property just like when you rent a house it becomes your private property. The rental/lease contract give the leaser all rights. If Sears has a "follow state law" rule for their stores then the employee was very in the wrong and the mall cannot tell Sears to kick out customers who are armed.

I completely agree that is how it should be.
BUT... if, as part of their lease agreement to have a store on the mall owner's property, Sears agreed to follow the malls policies, then the mall's rules apply to Sears.
This as opposed to a stand alone Sears store, on Sears property, following Sears corporate policy.

 

[Samantha]

I worked for sears for a number of years we had no policy banning any kind of carry except for employees which no one ever followed, when I started working for the company I educated everyone on open carry and it was never an issue except for one time when an emotionally unstable repeat customer came in open carrying a walther BB gun. The mall on the other which is owned by General Growth Properties bans any kind of carry and escorted me out of the building once.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I worked for sears for a number of years we had no policy banning any kind of carry except for employees which no one ever followed, when I started working for the company I educated everyone on open carry and it was never an issue except for one time when an emotionally unstable repeat customer came in open carrying a walther BB gun. The mall on the other which is owned by General Growth Properties bans any kind of carry and escorted me out of the building once.

And you did a great job never was bothered by the Sears you worked at while OC!