thejax
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So I ventured up to mining country to look for a house I was interested in purchasing.
Being I am going to be looking at a post-foreclosure that, from what I was told from the bank, required a Writ of Possession and a visit from the sheriffs to have the property vacated, I decided to arm myself. I asked the bank prior to fax me the foreclosure papers. I also asked for verbal permission to carry on the premises. They said that if I am legally carrying by the laws of PA then I have permission.
I get out of the car in front of the property. I pop the trunk and take out my handgun from the lockbox and attach my holster to my belt.
I walk around the property and gain access through a lock provided by the bank. The property was clear. All their stuff was still in the house though so I remained vigilante.
Upon exiting the property, I was met by a neighbor who was toting a shotgun. I immediately put my hand on my holster and my thumb of the retention snap. He had his shotgun pointed down in a somewhat safe but easy to lift and point manner. He asked me to identify myself and what I was doing on the property.
I told him my first name and that I am a potential buyer of the property and that I have permission from the bank to be here. I asked if he was an LEO. He said no. He then went on about how the owner still comes back and that no one wants me on this property.
At this point, I identified this encounter as hostile. I told the neighbor that I was planning on leaving after taking some pictures. Yet, if he does not secure his long gun, he will be having a very bad day. He then gets angry and starts yelling at me about how he is right and I am wrong. I then tried my best, calmly, to explain to him that this property has been foreclosed upon. I had the paperwork in my hand to prove it and that I have verbal permission to be on this property and to carry on this property. I asked the neighbor if he had contacted the bank on his own accord and requested to have permission to be on the property. He said he didn't need permission.
At this point, I wanted to continue on my way to my car and get my camera, take some pictures, then be on my way. I told the neighbor these were my intentions and that if he was detaining me and would not allow me to pass, this was going to be a bigger problem.
I showed him that my cell phone was in my left hand. My right hand still on my holster. I said to him that if he doesn't secure his long gun, and its the last time I am asking, I am going to hold down 9 on my phone and click on speaker and I will summon an LEO to make you secure your long gun.
This basically pissed him off. As he started ranting and raving about how I am trying to be a wannabe cop, I tookj my thumb and undid the retention clip. It was like a pin dropped. He heard it the clip break open and he shut right up.
I said to him that I didn't want any trouble but if I have to draw I would. At that point, he finally stood down. He took a few steps back and secured his long gun by unloading it. I told him give me 10 minutes and I would be off and that it would be a win win situation. He said that was fine and walked off the property. I came back with the camera and did what I had to do then left.
I decided that it was not prudent to contact an LEO about it as it was my word against his and well neither one of us actually pointed their gun. But in the end, I don't want to buy the property. That encounter was bulls*** and uncalled for.
So I ventured up to mining country to look for a house I was interested in purchasing.
Being I am going to be looking at a post-foreclosure that, from what I was told from the bank, required a Writ of Possession and a visit from the sheriffs to have the property vacated, I decided to arm myself. I asked the bank prior to fax me the foreclosure papers. I also asked for verbal permission to carry on the premises. They said that if I am legally carrying by the laws of PA then I have permission.
I get out of the car in front of the property. I pop the trunk and take out my handgun from the lockbox and attach my holster to my belt.
I walk around the property and gain access through a lock provided by the bank. The property was clear. All their stuff was still in the house though so I remained vigilante.
Upon exiting the property, I was met by a neighbor who was toting a shotgun. I immediately put my hand on my holster and my thumb of the retention snap. He had his shotgun pointed down in a somewhat safe but easy to lift and point manner. He asked me to identify myself and what I was doing on the property.
I told him my first name and that I am a potential buyer of the property and that I have permission from the bank to be here. I asked if he was an LEO. He said no. He then went on about how the owner still comes back and that no one wants me on this property.
At this point, I identified this encounter as hostile. I told the neighbor that I was planning on leaving after taking some pictures. Yet, if he does not secure his long gun, he will be having a very bad day. He then gets angry and starts yelling at me about how he is right and I am wrong. I then tried my best, calmly, to explain to him that this property has been foreclosed upon. I had the paperwork in my hand to prove it and that I have verbal permission to be on this property and to carry on this property. I asked the neighbor if he had contacted the bank on his own accord and requested to have permission to be on the property. He said he didn't need permission.
At this point, I wanted to continue on my way to my car and get my camera, take some pictures, then be on my way. I told the neighbor these were my intentions and that if he was detaining me and would not allow me to pass, this was going to be a bigger problem.
I showed him that my cell phone was in my left hand. My right hand still on my holster. I said to him that if he doesn't secure his long gun, and its the last time I am asking, I am going to hold down 9 on my phone and click on speaker and I will summon an LEO to make you secure your long gun.
This basically pissed him off. As he started ranting and raving about how I am trying to be a wannabe cop, I tookj my thumb and undid the retention clip. It was like a pin dropped. He heard it the clip break open and he shut right up.
I said to him that I didn't want any trouble but if I have to draw I would. At that point, he finally stood down. He took a few steps back and secured his long gun by unloading it. I told him give me 10 minutes and I would be off and that it would be a win win situation. He said that was fine and walked off the property. I came back with the camera and did what I had to do then left.
I decided that it was not prudent to contact an LEO about it as it was my word against his and well neither one of us actually pointed their gun. But in the end, I don't want to buy the property. That encounter was bulls*** and uncalled for.
