OC press Janesville

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

234 Too many from idiots and out of state.

Where are you seeing this?

 

[Doug Huffman]

http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/aug/08/open-carry-advocates-carry-guns-around-town/

I had to demonstrate to the State of Nevada that I could shoot the Phase I (close quarter combat Law Enforcement Qualification) to the level of an FBI Agent, I hold myself to that standard every time I visit the range (at least 3-4 times per month.)

I say to my open carry friends in Wisconsin, the law may not require it, but ethics demand that you know how to safely and effectively use your weapon should you ever have to use it to lawfully defend yourself, your family, or your home.

Or is is Geko45 risen from the mall?

 

[jpm84092]

I will Fess Up

I am one of those who is posting to the Gazette article and my posts are supportive. I mention things like the fact that I do not need a permit to be afforded any Civil Rights, except for the 2nd Amendment. I have posted informational stuff for the sheeple. I may live out of State now, but I grew up in Janesville, graduated from Janesville Craig, graduated from U-Rock (in Janesville), and finished my degree at UW-Whitewater. My family all live in Wisconsin (mostly in Janesville) and I return to visit them. So, I have a stake in the discussion taking place.

One of the things I said on that forum and I meant it was - while no training whatsoever is required to open carry, I implore my fellows who open carry in Wisconsin to get some sort of training to insure that you safely operate your tools (handguns) and effectively operate your tools (marksmanship). Think of how terrible you might feel if you ever had to lawfully use your handgun to defend yourself and missed the bad guy, but took out the neighbor's child.

Training is voluntary (as it should be), but it is, in my opinion, the ethical thing to do; whether you open carry in Wisconsin or concealed carry as I do here.

I hope nobody is surprised by the vitriol of the anti-gun liberals. Those who have read Col. Dave Grossman's epic on sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs, know that the sheep fear the "fangs" of the sheepdog and revile him - until the wolf comes that is. Then the sheep line up behind the sheepdog and beg for and even demand protection.

So, to those of you who understand Dave Grossman, carry on, carry proud, and be mindful that the sheep fear you and this is not a good thing. Be polite, educate, win the hearts and minds of the sheep, one sheep at a time.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

OK. I finally figured out what my problem is (watch it)!

Since I'm in Walworth County, I go to http://walworthcountytoday.com/news/2010/aug/09/open-carry-advocates-carry-guns-around-town/ and it has no comments. If I go through the Janesville Gazette page http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/aug/08/open-carry-advocates-carry-guns-around-town/ it has all the comments.

I am NOT CRAZY!!! :banana:

 

[Jason in WI]

Where are you seeing this?

Edited to add:
LOL, I just read the comments and I see you made it in. And for some reason I didn't see your last post here either, weird.

Reading those comments is the reason why whenever someone asks why I have a sidearm on, I usually start with "I carry for the children".

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

All I can say now that we are over 300 posts on the comment is boy, no wonder we sometimes have a public relations problem. Between pro OC people calling others libtards and saying they are going to shoot themselves to get rid of a headache.

While I support the 1st amendment, sometimes people need to shut up!

 

[markofwisconsin]

Post

COMMENTS DELETED BY MODERATOR FOR SEVERAL REASONS:

1) The description of a liberal was lifted in full from another source which is a potential copyright violation

2) We are a pro-gun site NOT a conservative site. We support ALL people who are pro-gun be they conservative, liberal or other.

3) The term libtard is offensive to those who have children that are developmentally disabled.

4) As noted by other posters, this kind of post just makes us all look bad.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I'm not trying to change the mind of the people who post negative information about OC. I am trying to prove them wrong. I want the people who are on the fence about this thing to read the attacks from the antis and then the well thought out, calm, non attacking, non name calling responses of the pro OC people and say "Wow, the guy is standing up for his Constitutional rights in a professional, non confrontational way while the 'libtard' is using unreasonable, defaming and slanderous terms". When they see that, we move the middle of the road people that much closer to our side and next time they get a survey from a political organization that asks 'do you support gun rights' we get 2 more people saying 'yes I do' because they seem to be good people.

Of course I am not going to win over a militant anti gunner, but I will move the ball along.

Did you read the post by the rape victim? That is a point no one can argue with! She knows from personal, painful experience that if she had a gun, she wouldn't have these feelings.

I'm all for joking around and like having a good time but we are at a critical part of the election process, we in WI have a really good chance of going from people getting charged with DC just over a year ago to having Constitutional Carry, we need to not waste political capital on name calling.

 

[markofwisconsin]

Delete my account

COMMENTS DELETED BY MODERATOR FOR SEVERAL REASONS:

1) The description of a liberal was lifted in full from another source which is a potential copyright violation

2) We are a pro-gun site NOT a conservative site. We support ALL people who are pro-gun be they conservative, liberal or other.

3) The term libtard is offensive to those who have children that are developmentally disabled.

4) As noted by other posters, this kind of post just makes us all look bad.

Sir,

If you are not a conservative, what are you. Liberals with guns, hardly. Trying to cater to these people, is like dealing with the Devil.

Please delete my account, I have no time for an organization such as this.

 

[Doug Huffman]

Sir, If you are not a conservative, what are you. Liberals with guns, hardly.

While we may think that we all are clear on just what is (a) "liberal", a thread defining (a) conservative would drag on and on through the mud of unlettered ignorance.

I recommend Timothy Ferris' The Science of Liberty in which he makes the case that "liberal" and "conservative" are victims of the left's corruption of our language.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Please delete my account, I have no time for an organization such as this.

The way to delete it is to not use it. Just follow the rules and you'll ind that most people agree about most things as long as they are open carry related. Calling people names is usually not tolerated and I'd like to see you find a place where it is.

As I've said before, we are trying to win over people to our side of the argument. Calling people names that don't agree with us just proves their point that we are wackos.

I'd rather you not leave, however, if you must, you must. It's a free country afterall.

 

[Doug Huffman]

And OCDO is not an "organization", despite the efforts of some to be leaders, but it is a public forum for discussion of advancement of openly carried guns.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

And OCDO is not an "organization", despite the efforts of some to be leaders, but it is a public forum for discussion of advancement of openly carried guns.

I beg to differ. Are not Mike and John the two owners? Is it not incorporated in some fashion?

 

[Doug Huffman]

Are you quibbling http://forum.opencarry.org with http://opencarry.org?

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Are you quibbling http://forum.opencarry.org with http://opencarry.org?

Are they not owned by the same entity?

 

[markofwisconsin]

It makes me wonder about the convictions of these two owners, Mike and John are the owners ok. For privacy, who do they share information with, who do they work for, and what are there true beliefs. Warning bells are going off, and you should here them too.

John Pierce to me sounds as though he has alternate motives. This is my problem with the internet, to much of a data base can be kept on people, and used against them in the future.

I have a close friend who works for the Department of Justice in Washington, DC. He has warned me they stock pile membership list from different organizations. All in the name of public security. According to him, the law is on there side.

Depending on the people in power in Washington, DC. Your organization, can quickly get on the list of suspect organizations.



Good day Gentlemen, It is time for me to bow out.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

It makes me wonder about the convictions of these two owners, Mike and John are the owners ok. For privacy, who do they share information with, who do they work for, and what are there true beliefs. Warning bells are going off, and you should here them too.

Wow! It is really quite simple. This forum is for discussing open carrying. Did you read the rules? How would you think the word libtard would not be offensive?

As for conservative and/or liberal, his point was, that wan't the label. There are open carriers that believe in abortion and that don't there are OC'ers who like Obama (no clue how) and those who don't. There are OC'ers who are Libertarian, Communist, Democrats, Republicans.

I get it, you consider yourself a conservative. I do to. I diverge from the 'conservative template' in some ways, just like some liberals diverge from theirs.

This is also an open forum and of course people from all walks of life monitor it. Reporters, for example. How do you think they contacted me and others for interviews? I don't advertise!

Postings have been used in lawsuit and criminal cases. If anyone thinks anything is private, they are delusional.

As I said, I can't speak for the moderators/owners but as long as you aren't offensive I believe you are welcome here.

 

[John Pierce]

It makes me wonder about the convictions of these two owners, Mike and John are the owners ok. For privacy, who do they share information with, who do they work for, and what are there true beliefs. Warning bells are going off, and you should here them too.

John Pierce to me sounds as though he has alternate motives. This is my problem with the internet, to much of a data base can be kept on people, and used against them in the future.

I have a close friend who works for the Department of Justice in Washington, DC. He has warned me they stock pile membership list from different organizations. All in the name of public security. According to him, the law is on there side.

Depending on the people in power in Washington, DC. Your organization, can quickly get on the list of suspect organizations.

Good day Gentlemen, It is time for me to bow out.

I have no ulterior (I believe that is the word you were looking for) motives and I will gladly answer any questions any member may have.

1) Who do we share membership info with?

ANSWER: No one.

2) Who do I work for?

ANSWER: I am a software developer in real life who is also attending law school at Hamline University in St Paul MN.

3) What are my true beliefs?

ANSWER: I believe in guns, my family, boobies, small government, boobies, lower taxes and boobies.

4) Is OpenCarry.org monitored by law enforcement?

ANSWER: Who knows? I suspect that they do visit the site from time to time, especially if we have an event coming up in their jurisdiction.

I hate to see you leave, but it sounds like you have made up your mind that I am some double-naught spy so I guess you won't reconsider. :lol:

Later.


John Pierce

 

[John Pierce]

Are they not owned by the same entity?

Yes. The forum and the main site are two faces of the same coin.


John

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Yes. The forum and the main site are two faces of the same coin.


John

One last question John, are they owned by a Corporation, a LLC or what?

Thanks!