Never know what you're going to encounter at the range

[OC for ME]

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Btw, assault and battery involve the "offensive" touching of another, and that is determined on the basis of the "reasonable man" standard - not every touch, even one that is in fact offensive, is legally offensive. ...

Good to know...does this apply to cops?

 

[HPmatt]

A little late to the PC party but It brings to mind one of my favorite movie stereotype quotes:
'Hey, I guess they're right. Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose. I'll be right back. Don't you go dying on me'


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[twoskinsonemanns]

Good Lord, I almost can't believe some of the posts in this tiny thread (Nightmare, skidmark, Citizen). I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry. As I mentioned, my only regret is posting anything at all. The saving grace for me is I know what I wrote and why, and that is all that really matters to me.

Well I enjoyed your post quite a bit. I also enjoyed watching the peanut gallery dissect it. lol just ignore them.

 

[Maverick9]

Back in the late 1980s I was talking to a 50-something lady in our break room and she told me she was an Olympic entrant in pistol shooting. You'd never know it to look at her, not athletic looking, rather frumpy.

I had not thought a wit about firearms, handguns or shooting in general, but now I wish I had engaged her on her training and what got her into it. I remember replying in disbelief and she wasn't really that forthcoming. You'd think you had to be pretty obsessed with something to qualify for the Olympics, but she just said 'yes, really' and let it go at that.

 

[SovereigntyOrDeath]

This thread was active while I was being too busy with work and medical problems to notice. As I read it, I couldn't help but be amused by the comments back and forth. The irony is that the folks who thought the gesture would have been condescending were, themselves, taking on a pontifical role. Really, all any of us has is an opinion based on our own worldview, and we have to remember, that's not reality, just a model. Whether or not the gesture was appropriate, condescension, or battery, being entirely hypothetical, is a matter of speculation.

What I was thinking was that, from the description, I'm pretty sure I know that woman. She's a certified NRA training counselor, and teaches instructors how to teach basic pistol, personal protection in and outside the home courses. She's a lovely person and would have welcomed the contact Southernboy described, graciously ignoring the fact that she's been an expert marks-woman for twice as long as he's been alive and has been a certified instructor most of that time.

Btw, assault and battery involve the "offensive" touching of another, and that is determined on the basis of the "reasonable man" standard - not every touch, even one that is in fact offensive, is legally offensive. When someone carelessly brushes past on the subway platform in a rush to get somewhere, one is expected to be able to tolerate a bit of the hustle and bustle of ordinary life with humans. And when he lays his hand on your shoulder in what you might think is a condescending gesture, a court's going to interpret it as a bit too personal, but friendly, and not "offensive". This has implications for self defense. A person who takes offense easily should be aware of that propensity in himself and learn to be tolerant. "An armed society is a polite society" not because people are afraid of riling up someone who's carrying, but because people who are carrying have to take special steps to be polite. When you've got death on your hip ready to serve you on a moment's notice, you want to be careful, as Ps. 37 says, to "cease from anger and forsake wrath".

Better late than never!

Thank you for setting the record straight.

I found nothing wrong with the OP.

It's too bad some folks just like to twist other folks opinions into oblivion.

I wonder how many folks get chased away from here thanks to all the free psychoanalysis?

 

[Marco]

First, thanks for sharing Paul.

This thread was active while I was being too busy with work and medical problems to notice. As I read it, I couldn't help but be amused by the comments back and forth. The irony is that the folks who thought the gesture would have been condescending were, themselves, taking on a pontifical role. Really, all any of us has is an opinion based on our own worldview, and we have to remember, that's not reality, just a model. Whether or not the gesture was appropriate, condescension, or battery, being entirely hypothetical, is a matter of speculation.

What I was thinking was that, from the description, I'm pretty sure I know that woman. She's a certified NRA training counselor, and teaches instructors how to teach basic pistol, personal protection in and outside the home courses. She's a lovely person and would have welcomed the contact Southernboy described, graciously ignoring the fact that she's been an expert marks-woman for twice as long as he's been alive and has been a certified instructor most of that time.

Btw, assault and battery involve the "offensive" touching of another, and that is determined on the basis of the "reasonable man" standard - not every touch, even one that is in fact offensive, is legally offensive. When someone carelessly brushes past on the subway platform in a rush to get somewhere, one is expected to be able to tolerate a bit of the hustle and bustle of ordinary life with humans. And when he lays his hand on your shoulder in what you might think is a condescending gesture, a court's going to interpret it as a bit too personal, but friendly, and not "offensive". This has implications for self defense. A person who takes offense easily should be aware of that propensity in himself and learn to be tolerant. "An armed society is a polite society" not because people are afraid of riling up someone who's carrying, but because people who are carrying have to take special steps to be polite. When you've got death on your hip ready to serve you on a moment's notice, you want to be careful, as Ps. 37 says, to "cease from anger and forsake wrath".

Great analysis Sir.
This break down real makes it an even better story.
User has pointed out this Lady is 120yrs old plus, as he and I both know SB personally. :lol:

 

[utbagpiper]

"An armed society is a polite society" not because people are afraid of riling up someone who's carrying, but because people who are carrying have to take special steps to be polite. When you've got death on your hip ready to serve you on a moment's notice, you want to be careful, as Ps. 37 says, to "cease from anger and forsake wrath".

^This.

Thank you. I've attempted to make this point several times but have never done so nearly as well as you just did.

The injunction that Heinlein gives to be polite applies at least as much to those who know they are carrying as it does to the guy who might only suspect the other guy is carrying.

Thank you.

Charles

 

[MAC702]

Back in the late 1980s I was talking to a 50-something lady in our break room and she told me she was an Olympic entrant in pistol shooting. You'd never know it to look at her, not athletic looking, rather frumpy.

I had not thought a wit about firearms, handguns or shooting in general, but now I wish I had engaged her on her training and what got her into it. I remember replying in disbelief and she wasn't really that forthcoming. You'd think you had to be pretty obsessed with something to qualify for the Olympics, but she just said 'yes, really' and let it go at that.

I knew several members of a college rifle and pistol team, the ones that are eligible for the Olympics. I was surprised how many (most, in fact) were generally clueless about every firearm except the ones they used in competition. They were far from firearms enthusiasts, but just did everything their coach told them to do and were good at their exact discipline. It was treated like golf, tennis, or any other individual sport.

 

[SouthernBoy]

First, thanks for sharing Paul.




Great analysis Sir.
This break down real makes it an even better story.
User has pointed out this Lady is 120yrs old plus, as he and I both know SB personally. :lol:

Oh great. Now the cat's out of the bag. But yes, truth be known, even though I lay claim to being in my earlier twenties mentally, the body says otherwise. I just turned 69 last month.


To Marco and User;

Thank you both for your kind and supportive words. I do consider the both of you good friends and I am honored to know you both, even though we don't see each other often these days. Funny thing, the good people you embrace in your life serve to enrich your existence that much more. Both of you gentlemen have done that and more for me and I think about you often. I would love another luncheon get together when we can manage it.

 

[since9]

The many reasons given here are precisely why I respectfully insist on remaining armed while at the range.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

I knew several members of a college rifle and pistol team, the ones that are eligible for the Olympics. I was surprised how many (most, in fact) were generally clueless about every firearm except the ones they used in competition. They were far from firearms enthusiasts, but just did everything their coach told them to do and were good at their exact discipline. It was treated like golf, tennis, or any other individual sport.

Golfers with guns I call them.

Many of them are willing to give up the others, right to bear arms as long as they don't lose their skeet, trap, target rifles or pistols or "hunting guns.