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Motorcycles and firearms
- Thread starter turbodog
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Gator5713
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404 Error... Page not found.
404 Error... Page not found.
turbodog
Regular Member
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Gator5713 wrote:
Hmm...try copy/paste to browser window. It worked when I tried that.
Gator5713 wrote:
Hmm...try copy/paste to browser window. It worked when I tried that.
Aran
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#1. Don't fall off. Shit hurts.
#1. Don't fall off. Shit hurts.
knight_308
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There's an extra space in his URL.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/motorcycle_firearms.htm
Try that.
There's an extra space in his URL.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/motorcycle_firearms.htm
Try that.
Washintonian_For_Liberty
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skidmark wrote:
skidmark wrote:
I could do it. I've been riding since I was 12. That's 30 years of riding experience. Most of my friends who ride motor cycles also have a lot of experience one handed riding. I've had to avoid cars that tried to hit me once... then sped past and continued on their way. Luckily for me, I was able to manuver out of the way and get their license plate number. It turned out to be a woman who had no idea she almost hit me. She was putting on make up. I did feel like shooting her as I was still shaken from the experience, but instead, I pressed charges and she was arrested. She contested it and it went to court. It was thrown out since it happened on the highway and there were no witnesses to come forward for me. I was pissed, I mean why would I lie about a complete stranger... but thems the brakes. Maybe if I had a gun with me at the time.... naw, I didn't have the chance since I barely saw her before having to gun it out of her way. She didn't even learn a lesson since she maintained that what I said never even happened. And I didn't see her putting on make up as I was too focused on avoiding the front of her car. I did feel like shooting her in that court... but I let those feelings subside.... it's amazing that we don't have a lobby as strong as the anti-gun lobby demanding all cars be banned. I mean, nearly 40,000 a year die in car accidents while the number killed by firearms is almost half that. Cars are deadlier than guns yet you don't see anyone in any great numbers or in Congress trying to have them banned.
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Can I come out to Washington, set up a scenario where both you and the car are jinking about, and see you hit the driver using your weak hand?
If you can do it, I'll publically announce that you are in fact that good. If you can't, you cover all my expenses out there and back home, plus a good seafood dinner.
BTW - part of the scenario will be determining if you are legally justified in using lethal force against the driver at the time that you actually have the firearm in your weak hand.
Would you have been legally OK to shoot the driver when she was not intending to create road pizza out of you, but merely criminally negligent for not paying sufficient heed to her driving? Again, self defense (protecting yourself from injury, whether it be intentional or not) does not always mean using the gun.
stay safe.
skidmark
Can I come out to Washington, set up a scenario where both you and the car are jinking about, and see you hit the driver using your weak hand?
If you can do it, I'll publically announce that you are in fact that good. If you can't, you cover all my expenses out there and back home, plus a good seafood dinner.
BTW - part of the scenario will be determining if you are legally justified in using lethal force against the driver at the time that you actually have the firearm in your weak hand.
Would you have been legally OK to shoot the driver when she was not intending to create road pizza out of you, but merely criminally negligent for not paying sufficient heed to her driving? Again, self defense (protecting yourself from injury, whether it be intentional or not) does not always mean using the gun.
stay safe.
skidmark
Mr. Y
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I'd like to offer an opposing opinion here. I think the very concept of training to shoot while moving on a motor vehicle that requires 4 working limbs to successfully operate is a little futile. Even ifyou are not concealing, you will still have toconduct a draw and present at an angle you are probably not accustomed to, while maintaining balance and depending on the circumstances, possibly avoiding other traffic.
In the time it would take you to decide to draw, start the draw and get your hand to the gun, you could juke, downshift and apply an abundance of throttle producing acceleration that no 4 wheel land vehicle can match... [a good superbike class motorcycle is capable of 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds with an average or beginning rider, faster with skill.] Ok - some slower bikeswon't qualify but a motorcycle's acceleration & agility are it's strengths and operating one usingneithercapability is not using the vehicle efficiently.
Think about how well you operate a vehicle while yakking on a cell phone. No matter how good you think you are, every study conducted shows that distriction to be on par with driving under the influence of alcohol past the legal limit. At least every study I've seen, or heard of.
Now, what if you're wearing gloves, and you fumble the gun and drop it?
All of that said... I have actually shot with my full moto gear on - suit, helmet, glasses, racing gloves, boots and all. I was toasty, but at least I could manipulate the guns w/o difficulty. I would venture to say I would not be able to do this on a moving motorcycle without a deliberate, intentional "act" requiring intense concentration. The kind that commonwealths attorneys like to call badthings. Even so, at least I could find a small area of cover I could kneel behind on a stopped bike.
Has evidence been introduced that the poster shoots pistols right handed?
I'd like to offer an opposing opinion here. I think the very concept of training to shoot while moving on a motor vehicle that requires 4 working limbs to successfully operate is a little futile. Even ifyou are not concealing, you will still have toconduct a draw and present at an angle you are probably not accustomed to, while maintaining balance and depending on the circumstances, possibly avoiding other traffic.
In the time it would take you to decide to draw, start the draw and get your hand to the gun, you could juke, downshift and apply an abundance of throttle producing acceleration that no 4 wheel land vehicle can match... [a good superbike class motorcycle is capable of 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds with an average or beginning rider, faster with skill.] Ok - some slower bikeswon't qualify but a motorcycle's acceleration & agility are it's strengths and operating one usingneithercapability is not using the vehicle efficiently.
Think about how well you operate a vehicle while yakking on a cell phone. No matter how good you think you are, every study conducted shows that distriction to be on par with driving under the influence of alcohol past the legal limit. At least every study I've seen, or heard of.
Now, what if you're wearing gloves, and you fumble the gun and drop it?
All of that said... I have actually shot with my full moto gear on - suit, helmet, glasses, racing gloves, boots and all. I was toasty, but at least I could manipulate the guns w/o difficulty. I would venture to say I would not be able to do this on a moving motorcycle without a deliberate, intentional "act" requiring intense concentration. The kind that commonwealths attorneys like to call badthings. Even so, at least I could find a small area of cover I could kneel behind on a stopped bike.
bufordtpisser
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How can chasing someone down, and attempting to use deadly force on them, ever equate to self defense in a situation such as this. Avoiding a road rage incident is always the best option, and barring avoidance, using deadly force should always be a final option. If someone intentionally tries to run you off the road in a motorcycle, and it pisses you off, go ahead and follow them if you can do so without breaking vehicle laws, and call the cops. You will never win in a battle with a car or truck while on your motorcycle.
That being said, if instead of being the pursuer, and you find yourself being the pursued, I don't know about the rest of you, but when I am on my Harley, I can shoot, and maybe 1 out of 100 times I get lucky and actually hit something, but I can't shoot at things behind me. The best way to deal with Road Rage incidents is to extract yourself from the situation, and especially when on a bike.
How can chasing someone down, and attempting to use deadly force on them, ever equate to self defense in a situation such as this. Avoiding a road rage incident is always the best option, and barring avoidance, using deadly force should always be a final option. If someone intentionally tries to run you off the road in a motorcycle, and it pisses you off, go ahead and follow them if you can do so without breaking vehicle laws, and call the cops. You will never win in a battle with a car or truck while on your motorcycle.
That being said, if instead of being the pursuer, and you find yourself being the pursued, I don't know about the rest of you, but when I am on my Harley, I can shoot, and maybe 1 out of 100 times I get lucky and actually hit something, but I can't shoot at things behind me. The best way to deal with Road Rage incidents is to extract yourself from the situation, and especially when on a bike.
MrCraigCraig
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bufordtpisser wrote:
bufordtpisser wrote:
Agreed.
Don Barnett
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How about carrying a shotgun, like Arnold...in The Terminator!
How about carrying a shotgun, like Arnold...in The Terminator!