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Micro Stamping being brought up again by Milwaukee gun haters

comp45acp

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From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:46 AM
To: *Legislative All Assembly; *Legislative All Senate
Subject: REMINDER: DEADLINE TONIGHT, FRIDAY, APRIL 15 AT 5 p.m. Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1

The deadline to sign onto the gun microstamping bill is tonight, Friday April 15th at 5 p.m.

Dave de Felice
Office of Sen. Spencer Coggs
608-266-2500



______________________________________________
From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:03 AM
To: *Legislative All Senate; *Legislative All Assembly
Subject: FW: DEADLINE EXTENDED TO APRIL 15th - Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1

Please note that the deadline for co-sponsoring this bill has been extended to Friday, April 15.

Dave de Felice
Office of Sen. Spencer Coggs
608-266-2500



______________________________________________
From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:32 AM
To: *Legislative All Senate; *Legislative All Assembly
Subject: DEADLINE EXTENDED TO APRIL 15th - Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1


TO: All Legislators

FROM: Rep. Leon Young/Senator Spencer Coggs

DATE: April 6, 2011

RE: Co-sponsorship of LRB 1589/1 and 1590/1 relating to creating a microstamping requirement for certain handguns, certification of compliance with microstamping requirement, requiring the exercise of rule-making authority, and providing penalties.

DEADLINE EXTENDED TO: April 15, 2011

For years, law enforcement agencies have grappled with the difficult and often daunting task of ballistic identification -- matching the gun with the bullet casings found at a particular crime scene. Microstamping represents a quantum leap in ballistic identification, which can further assist law enforcement in its ongoing efforts to reduce crime and curb gun violence.

Microstamping:

For close to a century, law enforcement officials have used cartridge casings found at a crime scene to help identify the particular gun used in a crime. Microstamping represents an evolution in ballistic identification. Microstamping technology uses lasers to make precise and microscopic engravings on internal mechanisms of a gun, such as the breech face and firing pin. When the gun is fired, information identifying the make, model and serial number of the gun is intentionally stamped onto the cartridge. This represents a significant improvement over existing ballistic identification technology, which relies on the unintentional markings that are transferred from the gun to the cartridge case, when a gun is fired. These unintentional markings are then compared to a database of images of "ballistic fingerprints" gathered from other crime scenes. While this information can provide links between crimes, it cannot lead investigators directly to a specific firearm unless that weapon is ultimately recovered. Microstamping, on the other hand, immediately identifies the particular gun and, thus, provides law enforcement officials with a powerful new crime-solving tool.

If you would like to co-sponsor this legislation, please respond to this e-mail or contact Greg Stewart in Rep. Young’s office at 266-3786 or Dave de Felice in Sen. Coggs’ office at 266-2500 DEADLINE EXTENDED TO 5:00 p.m. FRIDAY, APRIL 15. Co-sponsors will be listed on both the Senate and Assembly versions of the bill unless you indicate otherwise.

LRB 1589/1 is the Senate version of the bill, LRB 1590/1 is the Assembly version. Both LRBs are identical. Both are attached.

<<Bill - 2011 - Guns - Microstamping - LRB 1589-1.pdf>>
<<Bill - 2011 - Guns - Microstamping - LRB 1590-1.pdf>>
 

Lurchiron

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______________________________________________
From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:46 AM
To: *Legislative All Assembly; *Legislative All Senate
Subject: REMINDER: DEADLINE TONIGHT, FRIDAY, APRIL 15 AT 5 p.m. Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1

The deadline to sign onto the gun microstamping bill is tonight, Friday April 15th at 5 p.m.

Dave de Felice
Office of Sen. Spencer Coggs
608-266-2500



______________________________________________
From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:03 AM
To: *Legislative All Senate; *Legislative All Assembly
Subject: FW: DEADLINE EXTENDED TO APRIL 15th - Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1

Please note that the deadline for co-sponsoring this bill has been extended to Friday, April 15.

Dave de Felice
Office of Sen. Spencer Coggs
608-266-2500



______________________________________________
From: de Felice, David Patrick
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:32 AM
To: *Legislative All Senate; *Legislative All Assembly
Subject: DEADLINE EXTENDED TO APRIL 15th - Young/Coggs: Co-sponsorship - Gun Microstamping LRBs 1589/1 & 1590/1


TO: All Legislators

FROM: Rep. Leon Young/Senator Spencer Coggs

DATE: April 6, 2011

RE: Co-sponsorship of LRB 1589/1 and 1590/1 relating to creating a microstamping requirement for certain handguns, certification of compliance with microstamping requirement, requiring the exercise of rule-making authority, and providing penalties.

DEADLINE EXTENDED TO: April 15, 2011

For years, law enforcement agencies have grappled with the difficult and often daunting task of ballistic identification -- matching the gun with the bullet casings found at a particular crime scene. Microstamping represents a quantum leap in ballistic identification, which can further assist law enforcement in its ongoing efforts to reduce crime and curb gun violence.

Microstamping:

For close to a century, law enforcement officials have used cartridge casings found at a crime scene to help identify the particular gun used in a crime. Microstamping represents an evolution in ballistic identification. Microstamping technology uses lasers to make precise and microscopic engravings on internal mechanisms of a gun, such as the breech face and firing pin. When the gun is fired, information identifying the make, model and serial number of the gun is intentionally stamped onto the cartridge. This represents a significant improvement over existing ballistic identification technology, which relies on the unintentional markings that are transferred from the gun to the cartridge case, when a gun is fired. These unintentional markings are then compared to a database of images of "ballistic fingerprints" gathered from other crime scenes. While this information can provide links between crimes, it cannot lead investigators directly to a specific firearm unless that weapon is ultimately recovered. Microstamping, on the other hand, immediately identifies the particular gun and, thus, provides law enforcement officials with a powerful new crime-solving tool.

If you would like to co-sponsor this legislation, please respond to this e-mail or contact Greg Stewart in Rep. Young’s office at 266-3786 or Dave de Felice in Sen. Coggs’ office at 266-2500 DEADLINE EXTENDED TO 5:00 p.m. FRIDAY, APRIL 15. Co-sponsors will be listed on both the Senate and Assembly versions of the bill unless you indicate otherwise.

LRB 1589/1 is the Senate version of the bill, LRB 1590/1 is the Assembly version. Both LRBs are identical. Both are attached.

<<Bill - 2011 - Guns - Microstamping - LRB 1589-1.pdf>>
<<Bill - 2011 - Guns - Microstamping - LRB 1590-1.pdf>>

Fight fire with fire; introduce a bill to start macro-stamping anti-gunners...right between the eyes should suffice.:eek:
 
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Notice in this article that supporters of the bill includes WAVE's buddy organization the Wisconsin Coalition Against Domestic Violence. Am I missing something, but if a domestic violence tragedy occurs, would not the cops would have a good idea who the perpetator was? Just another example of an organization, just like the Police Chiefs Association carrying water for the Joyce Foundation via a relationship with WAVE.

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/wisconsin-consider-gun-tracking-bill
 
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I'm gonna go to Fletcher's in the next few days, take a picture of all the brass lying around on the floor & in a big puddle in the middle of the range, then send those to my Sen. (Coggs) & Rep. to show exactly why this is such a stupid idea.

Granted, most people shoot once & leave the casing lie there.
But with reloading, how many different microstamps could there be on 1 casing?
If there's more than one, are any of them legible?
How many false leads would police be chasing?

:banghead: :cuss:
If I didn't hate attention & cameras so much, I might run for office.
Certainly can't do a worse job than they are!
 

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I'm gonna go to Fletcher's in the next few days, take a picture of all the brass lying around on the floor & in a big puddle in the middle of the range, then send those to my Sen. (Coggs) & Rep. to show exactly why this is such a stupid idea.

Granted, most people shoot once & leave the casing lie there.
But with reloading, how many different microstamps could there be on 1 casing?
If there's more than one, are any of them legible?
How many false leads would police be chasing?

:banghead: :cuss:
If I didn't hate attention & cameras so much, I might run for office.
Certainly can't do a worse job than they are!


You have my vote.:D
 

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Granted, most people shoot once & leave the casing lie there.
But with reloading, how many different microstamps could there be on 1 casing?
If there's more than one, are any of them legible?
How many false leads would police be chasing?

Not to mention, when reloaded hot, the brass headstamp/microstamp will turn to mush.
 

Wolf1477

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Microstamping is a terrible idea, for lots of reasons.

First, with all of the firearms currently in circulation, they'll never be able to tag 'em all, and how many of us are really going to raise our hands and say "Oh, yes Mr. Goobermint man! Put my gun, that you had no idea I owned, in your database!".

Second, it would require all of our firearms to be registered with all transfers going through a FFL, never going to happen in WI, where we trade off 4 wheelers for a shotgun<g>.

Third, personally as a reloader, depending on how deep the etching is when it stamps, would it weaken the wall of the case enough that there may be a danger of case wall failure on firing. That, and people would starting picking up all their brass at the ranges and I'd actually have to pay for new brass rather than going and cleaning up the range. I pick up a whole lot more garbage and wrong brass/steel/aluminum cases than I do .45 ACP, did find a ton of .270 cases a couple trips ago tho, saved a bunch of $$. And the other stuff can either be dontaed/resold or recycled so it's a win/win: nice clean range and I get components.

Wow, how was that for a tangent?

What it boils down to is I see this microstamping bill as a bargaining chip for the antis. They *know* it'll never pass and even if it did they'd never be able to follow up on it, but, the antis will go "Hey, we'll drop this bill if you drop your pro gun bill" and some numbnutz politician will think it's a great deal and the antis still get what they really wanted without giving up anything and we get screwed...again.

I could be completely off base (hell I usually am)
 
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McX

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so we get these micro stamps at the micro-post office? something says there will be money charged us for this.
 

MKEgal

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Just called both offices (Coggs & Young), and it sounds like there are no co-sponsors.
Coggs' office (608-266-2500) couldn't even tell me if anyone else had signed on,
but Young's office (608-266-3786) finally admitted that so far it's just the 2 of them.
Young's guy said he couldn't tell me any more until it's introduced & published, which he says will be about a week.

I'm sending both of them, as well as my Rep., printouts of the pages from the PDF at www.gunfacts.info on microstamping (pg. 21-22 in the edition I have).
Hopefully we can stop this nonsense before they waste any more time & money on it.

BTW, they did this before, or at least Coggs did. In 2009, he was co-sponsor of SB174. That time they had 14 people sign on. That one specifically excluded revolvers! So they know some of the limitations; it just doesn't matter.
 

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I guess that settles it.....

A certain part of my anatomy needs to be microstamped.

I was told by the 18yr old I can drop a charging Rhino from 60 yrds
with just one bowl of Lizzy's chili.

LR Yote
 

Flipper

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Just part of don't control guns, control ammunition strategy. California is the leading edge of this. How would this great techology work with the .22 LR pistols used in many target shooting leagues and a favorite of professional assissins?
 
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AaronS

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The biggest flaw in the micro-stamping legislation is the fact that it is not technologically possible at this time.

Yep, that is a problem.
So under this (BS) bill, would we have to turn in the old guns?
And with no replacements to be had (ones with this micro stamp), we would not be able to get any new guns until the guns are made (someday?)...
Once again, the Reps. I have in Milwaukee have failed. Thank God, this bill is not going to pass.
Anti rights people (asshats), like Coggs and Young need to be replaced, once and for all.
Our rights are for all, and MUST be protected. If not, our rights will be for none, and will need no protection.
When will the masses of the City of Milwaukee start to understand this?
 

protias

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Yep, that is a problem.
So under this (BS) bill, would we have to turn in the old guns?
And with no replacements to be had (ones with this micro stamp), we would not be able to get any new guns until the guns are made (someday?)...
Once again, the Reps. I have in Milwaukee have failed. Thank God, this bill is not going to pass.
Anti rights people (asshats), like Coggs and Young need to be replaced, once and for all.
Our rights are for all, and MUST be protected. If not, our rights will be for none, and will need no protection.
When will the masses of the City of Milwaukee start to understand this?

Speaking of old guns, how does one microstamp with a black powder firearm?
 
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