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Man aged 107 killed *** ***** by police in his bedroom

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Don't shoot at cops, they really really don't like that. Bad things happen when you shoot at cops. Heck, just being armed is hazardous when cops are around.
 

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Heck, just being armed is hazardous when cops are around.

Hence the need to disseminate stories like this. It shouldn't be hazardous at all unless you're at the scene of a shooting. Many, many people feel safe in front of armed strangers as long as they're wearing a uniform. This is crazy. We shouldn't feel any more or less comfortable because someone is wearing a uniform. The police in this country have established a species of priesthood. This is very dangerous and I'm not sure if Grapeshot understands.
 

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Hence the need to disseminate stories like this. It shouldn't be hazardous at all unless you're at the scene of a shooting. Many, many people feel safe in front of armed strangers as long as they're wearing a uniform. This is crazy. We shouldn't feel any more or less comfortable because someone is wearing a uniform. The police in this country have established a species of priesthood. This is very dangerous and I'm not sure if Grapeshot understands.
GS understands, but tries to keep everything in a realistic perspective.
 

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Never call the police. They're worthless at best, murderous at worst. What functioning adult couldn't diffuse the situation peacefully with a 107 year old man? No, the old man had to be punished. Disgusting.

I completely agree with you that most problems should be dealt with WITHOUT the presence of a peace officer. If we cannot solve minor differences with each other then I have a dim outlook for the future of the Human race. However, you imply that ALL peace officers are out to get you, which is COMPLETELY false! We can most certainly be helpful in numerous situations.

You seem to forget that there are those of us that became peace officers because we were witnessing a change that we did not like! I did not like watching the peace officer turn into a law enforcement officer with military hardware. I did not like watching peace officers infringing on other people's rights. I did not like hearing about peace officers killing elderly individuals that have been on this rock for over a century! So instead of bashing and complaining I decided to do something about it! You can complain all you want, but unless you actively pursue change it will NOT come! If the good guys replace all of the bad guys in the profession then we will no longer have to hear about such nonsense! You cannot change anything by setting on the side-lines complaining! Get involved and actively pursue the change that you would like to see.
 

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I completely agree with you that most problems should be dealt with WITHOUT the presence of a peace officer. If we cannot solve minor differences with each other then I have a dim outlook for the future of the Human race. However, you imply that ALL peace officers are out to get you, which is COMPLETELY false! We can most certainly be helpful in numerous situations.

You seem to forget that there are those of us that became peace officers because we were witnessing a change that we did not like! I did not like watching the peace officer turn into a law enforcement officer with military hardware. I did not like watching peace officers infringing on other people's rights. I did not like hearing about peace officers killing elderly individuals that have been on this rock for over a century! So instead of bashing and complaining I decided to do something about it! You can complain all you want, but unless you actively pursue change it will NOT come! If the good guys replace all of the bad guys in the profession then we will no longer have to hear about such nonsense! You cannot change anything by setting on the side-lines complaining! Get involved and actively pursue the change that you would like to see.

Your department may be a good one. I have a friend whose attitude was like yours but he was not able to complete all the training because they wanted him to enforce unethical laws: write this person a ticket for going around a double yellow line because a tractor was in the way, write this person a ticket because their tint is too dark, arrest this person for MJ, etc, "enforce the laws of the state" blah blah blah.
 

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I completely agree with you that most problems should be dealt with WITHOUT the presence of a peace officer. If we cannot solve minor differences with each other then I have a dim outlook for the future of the Human race. However, you imply that ALL peace officers are out to get you, which is COMPLETELY false! We can most certainly be helpful in numerous situations.

You seem to forget that there are those of us that became peace officers because we were witnessing a change that we did not like! I did not like watching the peace officer turn into a law enforcement officer with military hardware. I did not like watching peace officers infringing on other people's rights. I did not like hearing about peace officers killing elderly individuals that have been on this rock for over a century! So instead of bashing and complaining I decided to do something about it! You can complain all you want, but unless you actively pursue change it will NOT come! If the good guys replace all of the bad guys in the profession then we will no longer have to hear about such nonsense! You cannot change anything by setting on the side-lines complaining! Get involved and actively pursue the change that you would like to see.
Not everyone can become a LEO and not everyone has the financial means to wade into the political shark tank. A great many citizens are working and have been working for a great many years to restore liberty. Now, if the vast majority of good cops would rat out their bad apple comrades, work to get them disbarred from any association with LE, the goal that you and I seek, bringing back the peace officer, would manifest itself sooner rather than later.
 

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I don't get why the fact that the man was 107yo means anything at all. Would the situation be different had he been 27? According to the article he threatened 2 people with a gun inside their residence.

Older people are not as harmless and feeble as some assume. I recently responded to an emergency during which 6 of us were needed to physically restrain a 90yo combative patient. Not my favorite part of the job, but necessary because he was a danger to others. Yes, a 90 year old unarmed man was a danger to others. He had already seriously injured his spouse. Why would a 107 year old man with a gun not be considered dangerous as well? Is it OK for him to threaten someone with a firearm and just let it slide because he's 107?

Let's remove the age altogether. A man pointed a firearm at his two room mates. The room mates called the police. When the police arrived he began firing on the police. Doesnt matter how old or how young the man is. How do you think that scenario will play out?
 

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This 90 yr old guy???? Was his name Bruce Banner per chance?

See? You should not made him angry.

He knew you would not like him when he is angry.

Plus, you did not shoot the 90 yr old right?

And the 107 yr old was no treat to anybody else 1 min before the ******* killed him.
 
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....How do you think that scenario will play out?

There was about a million different ways for the scenario to play out. Guess what. Not all of them end with a 107 yr old killed by Swat.

Crazy. I know.


How do you know they were roommates? The fact that he is 107 makes the SWAT look even more ridiculous than normal. They couldn't even handle a 107 yr old holed up in a bedroom. The best plan they could come up with was breach the door in a full frontal assault. It ain't like the guy was going anywhere. What, did they think he was tunneling out?
 

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How do you know they were roommates?

You are correct sir. I misread the article. It was the room mate who talked to the media. That is my mistake and I own it.

Doesn't change the fact that a person threatened someone with a gun, then fired upon law enforcement when they arrived. To say he wasn't a danger to anyone is a bit of a stretch. After all, he was shooting at them right?
 

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You are correct sir. I misread the article. It was the room mate who talked to the media. That is my mistake and I own it.

Doesn't change the fact that a person threatened someone with a gun, then fired upon law enforcement when they arrived. To say he wasn't a danger to anyone is a bit of a stretch. After all, he was shooting at them right?

He was likely sitting and watching Matlock on TV, completely forgetful that he shot at a door 30 min ago. No danger to anyone at the time of the killing.

Its wasn't he shot at them and they returned fire scenario.
 

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Doesn't change the fact that a person threatened someone with a gun, then fired upon law enforcement when they arrived. To say he wasn't a danger to anyone is a bit of a stretch. After all, he was shooting at them right?

I never said he didn't and that is not the thrust of my point. How's about addressing what I actually said? Were the SWAT team members throbbing in anticipation of the 107 yr old tunneling out and escaping their wrath? What was the rational behind a full frontal assault instead of waiting the guy out? Could they have parked a meter maid out front backed up by a bicycle cop for a day or two? Did they try tempting him out with high fiber or fresh batteries for his hearing aide?

It ain't about how dangerous a 107 yr old is. It's about how dangerous and inept a bunch of idiots playing army are.

And thanks for giving me the opportunity to say "thrust of my point".
 
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I never said he didn't and that is not the thrust of my point. How's about addressing what I actually said? Were the SWAT team members throbbing in anticipation of the 107 yr old tunneling out and escaping their wrath? What was the rational behind a full frontal assault instead of waiting the guy out? Could they have parked a meter maid out front backed up by a bicycle cop for a day or two? Did they try tempting him out with high fiber or fresh batteries for his hearing aide?

It ain't about how dangerous a 107 yr old is. It's about how dangerous and inept a bunch of idiots playing army are.

And thanks for giving me the opportunity to say "thrust of my point".

Hit nail on the head .... +1
 

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You should try polling outside your circle of family and friends.



No, but, as I said, there is something about being 107 which makes it incredibly unlikely that the cops had any real compelling reason to get the upper hand on this guy, other than "never let anything go", standard police practice.

"Who gives a **** about preserving the peace? That guy gave us an excuse!"

of course they had a reason look , the dude is 107 he is due to kick off anytime so if they are going to show him who the boss is then they best take this opportunity cause he may die soon and escape the lesson to be learned and u know how the fuzz hates escapees ,besides the shooter was probably at the range shooting at the old man target so they were professional about it(just check the poll cards) and didn't send in just some slacker, he was probably best qualified for the job ...could have been a pregnant woman or a kid.. out come probably would have been the same,they got targets for those too . I noticed the statement, most people go on their experiences with cops and not just anti cop bigots ...humm how do anti cop bigots exist? usually by experiences, but he's right about some constitutional areas have popped up in the last few years, but isn't the whole nation suppose to be constitutional? the thought should be, what happened to the massive areas that are not constitutional and who enforces legislation that caused constitutional areas to be lost anyway? ...really... would non opencarry/Anti-2A areas exist if it wasn't for the badge ?
 
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