Just moved to Michigan. Need to register pistols (complicated)

[Jared]

They do on the agency that requests them until such time as there is legislation or case law.

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Sure, it would grant them qualified immunity. But they are no guarantee on a private actor.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Sure, it would grant them qualified immunity. But they are no guarantee on a private actor.

Really, there's no real guarantee on anything. But, every little bit helps.

Personally, if an out of state CPL works for the purposes of negating handgun registration, I'm all for it. But, in all honesty, I don't have the funds to fight it, if it doesn't.

I knew I could get away with OC on a CPL at my sons' school because I know the principle, and he was all for it. I also know most of the cops in that small town, and most of them are for it as well. I'm not so sure it would go over in another location.

But, I like to think, that with the governor making the issue so public when he came out against OC, in that he wanted OC on school grounds to be outlawed if he signed the bill that would have allowed CC on school grounds (with additional training), that the knowledge it is legal is a bit more wide spread than it was before.

 

[Jared]

Really, there's no real guarantee on anything. But, every little bit helps.

Personally, if an out of state CPL works for the purposes of negating handgun registration, I'm all for it. But, in all honesty, I don't have the funds to fight it, if it doesn't.

I knew I could get away with OC on a CPL at my sons' school because I know the principle, and he was all for it. I also know most of the cops in that small town, and most of them are for it as well. I'm not so sure it would go over in another location.

But, I like to think, that with the governor making the issue so public when he came out against OC, in that he wanted OC on school grounds to be outlawed if he signed the bill that would have allowed CC on school grounds (with additional training), that the knowledge it is legal is a bit more wide spread than it was before.

I understand that but if people want an AG opinion on everything and question legislative intent on a Crystal clear law then there is no point on reading or discussing any law for any reason since the words would have no meaning at that point,

What's next, don't go out to eat on a Thursday night because legislative intent on disorderly conduct was to stop people from going to restaurants on Thursdays.

It's not directed at you but I have grown tired of people on the Michigan forum who can't read a word without assigning a new meaning to it beause of legislative intent.

28.432(f) is not hard to read, it's actually written at a first grade reading level. It reads the same even if you hold it up to the sunlight or if you stand back and read it through binoculars.

Is it really that hard to read? I didn't think so, that's why I stopped registering newly acquired handguns after I became educated in this section of law.

The same nonsense applies to nonresidents carrying on out of state licenses and how they act as an exception and almost all the rules of a in state license do not apply, (notification requirements and PFZ's).

it's for hard to figure out if someone simply reads the laws and even if they are confusing, the Rule of Lenity is quite clear.

Yes, anything has risk involved, there are plenty of innocent people in prison.

 

[DrTodd]

Opinion 6798 was Frankie boy making up the law because it rendered his coveted may-issue law useless; however, I am not aware of any conviction for a MI resident who carried on an out of state permit under the old may-issue law. the bureaucrats just threatened arrest but that was before the Internet and video cameras were as advanced and as prevalent as they are today

Here you go... (actually the decision was reversed, but read the reasoning)

People v. Williams, - N.W.2d - (Mich.Ct.App. 1997)
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/people_v_williams.txt

 

[Jared]

Here you go... (actually the decision was reversed, but read the reasoning)

People v. Williams, - N.W.2d - (Mich.Ct.App. 1997)
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/people_v_williams.txt

Crappy case. Keep in mind that the court inserted a bunch of dicta but on the facts of the case, they ruled correctly.

Even if they would be willing to put someone in a cage for not understanding legislative intent. 432(f) does not counter 422 because it could be argued that 432(f) only applies to citizens where non-immigrant aliens and resident aliens must register.

The court of appeals has never upheld the conviction of a MI resident carrying on an out of state license under the old law. I would agree that the appelate courts played judicial activist games, but when push came to shove, they did the right thing and followed the law as written.