Interesting Safeway Encounter

[Tacitus42]

My mother has had to dispose of sharps and was told by her doctor and the landfill that putting them in an old Gatorade bottle and then in the trash is just fine. The thick plastic bottles are essentially the same as those fancy containers. Easy cheesy.

DO NOT Dispose in trash bottled or not. Dispose of properly. I have been in the med field since 1988 and a nurse since 2000 and i never once heard anyone tell someone else to dispose of in trash. Here is a link for proper disposal in your area. http://www.bd.com/us/diabetes/page.aspx?cat=7001&id=62806

 

[Freedom1Man]

Article 1, Section 24 of the state constitution, RCW 9A.36.021 and RCW 9A.56.300.

The only means by which one citizen can deny another their rights is by physical force. Learned helplessness aside, words don't amount to physical coercion. Any such use of force starts with assault and proceeds immediately to theft of a firearm. Both of those are felonies.

Why do you believe that standing on someone else's land strips anyone of constitutional or statutory rights?

Please stop confusing corporations with citizens.

Corporations should have no rights because they are not REAL. Citizens are real

If it was a unincorporated business then I would argue for the private property rights, but a corporation should not have any rights.

 

[cpgrad08]

Did a late night run to the Lakewood Safeway tonight while OCing and had no problem what so ever.

 

[Difdi]

Please stop confusing corporations with citizens.

Corporations should have no rights because they are not REAL. Citizens are real

If it was a unincorporated business then I would argue for the private property rights, but a corporation should not have any rights.

A citizen has no right to compel you to not exercise your rights. A corporation, by your argument, has less lawful ability to do so.

But unless I'm mistaking your tone, you misunderstood what I wrote.

 

[amlevin]

DO NOT Dispose in trash bottled or not. Dispose of properly. I have been in the med field since 1988 and a nurse since 2000 and i never once heard anyone tell someone else to dispose of in trash. Here is a link for proper disposal in your area. http://www.bd.com/us/diabetes/page.aspx?cat=7001&id=62806

In Seattle it seems like people just go to Volunteer Park or Discovery Park and toss them around the landscape.

 

[Freedom1Man]

A citizen has no right to compel you to not exercise your rights. A corporation, by your argument, has less lawful ability to do so.

But unless I'm mistaking your tone, you misunderstood what I wrote.

What I am saying is that a corporation owns a store then it can only be as restrictive as the 'local' law.
Most states require that you wear shoes in a food store. So no shirt no shoes no service.
Also a corporate business can't turn you away for being black, white, asian. A non-corporate (eg private) business can turn you away for ANY reason.

I believe that if a corporation wants to require that you disarm before entering it's property that it should provide secure storage, fully liability for loss and/or damage to you arms (while you are visiting), and have fully liability for your safety while you visit.

A non-corporate business is less incline to disarm you because the owner can be sued if something happens to you. It will affect his/her pocket book.

The corporate president will not suffer, at worst he bankrupts the corporation, walks away with cash, and without fear of a civil suit.

So maybe I did misunderstand what you wrote but, I hope this clears it up as either agreeing or disagreeing with you though.

 

[TheGunMan]

No Problems in Wenatchee

I have OCed in Wenatchee and East Wenatchee for years with no problems. I carry a Glock21 so I know it is seen.

 

[Trigger Dr]

What I am saying is that a corporation owns a store then it can only be as restrictive as the 'local' law.
Most states require that you wear shoes in a food store. So no shirt no shoes no service.
Also a corporate business can't turn you away for being black, white, asian. A non-corporate (eg private) business can turn you away for ANY reason.

I believe that if a corporation wants to require that you disarm before entering it's property that it should provide secure storage, fully liability for loss and/or damage to you arms (while you are visiting), and have fully liability for your safety while you visit.

A non-corporate business is less incline to disarm you because the owner can be sued if something happens to you. It will affect his/her pocket book.

The corporate president will not suffer, at worst he bankrupts the corporation, walks away with cash, and without fear of a civil suit.

So maybe I did misunderstand what you wrote but, I hope this clears it up as either agreeing or disagreeing with you though.

Do you have any idea what you are trying to say??????
Better check your "FACTS" again.

 

[Hef]

What I am saying is that a corporation owns a store then it can only be as restrictive as the 'local' law.
Most states require that you wear shoes in a food store. So no shirt no shoes no service.
Also a corporate business can't turn you away for being black, white, asian. A non-corporate (eg private) business can turn you away for ANY reason.

I believe that if a corporation wants to require that you disarm before entering it's property that it should provide secure storage, fully liability for loss and/or damage to you arms (while you are visiting), and have fully liability for your safety while you visit.

A non-corporate business is less incline to disarm you because the owner can be sued if something happens to you. It will affect his/her pocket book.

The corporate president will not suffer, at worst he bankrupts the corporation, walks away with cash, and without fear of a civil suit.

So maybe I did misunderstand what you wrote but, I hope this clears it up as either agreeing or disagreeing with you though.

Have you ever owned a small business? Have you ever formed an LLC, LLP, or a corporation? How did you come to your conclusions about corporate liability as stated above?

 

[Freedom1Man]

Have you ever owned a small business? Have you ever formed an LLC, LLP, or a corporation? How did you come to your conclusions about corporate liability as stated above?

Limited Liability........ that is what the LL stands for, unless that has changed. That means the one who formed the corporation has a LIMITED liability. After all if the corporation breaks the law the president does not go to jail. Hmmmm....

I have looked into forming a corporation in the past. They wanted me to ignore too many laws to do though.

Washington State wants me to get a EIN before hiring anyone. That is a federal number. There is no federal law requiring me to get an EIN to hire anyone.
I would have to go back through all that old research again to explain all the legal problems.

 

[amlevin]

Limited Liability........ that is what the LL stands for, unless that has changed. That means the one who formed the corporation has a LIMITED liability. After all if the corporation breaks the law the president does not go to jail. Hmmmm....

I have looked into forming a corporation in the past. They wanted me to ignore too many laws to do though.

Washington State wants me to get a EIN before hiring anyone. That is a federal number. There is no federal law requiring me to get an EIN to hire anyone.
I would have to go back through all that old research again to explain all the legal problems.

So you're saying you don't need to obtain an EIN when you hire someone and withhold Federal Taxes for them?? Just how would you propose to remit those funds as required? To prepare 1099's if you don't withhold?

Not all requirements are codified in law, some are IRS rules. If you are a sole proprietor business you can get by with reporting solely under your SS#. Hire people and you need an EIN. That's why it's called an "EMPLOYER Identification Number.

Check out the questionnaire here http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Do-You-Need-an-EIN?

If you answer yes to any question you have to have an EIN. Since the first one is "Do you have employees", that's pretty straight forward. It really doesn't matter what the State wants or not, it's an IRS requirement.

 

[Hef]

Limited Liability........ that is what the LL stands for, unless that has changed. That means the one who formed the corporation has a LIMITED liability. After all if the corporation breaks the law the president does not go to jail. Hmmmm....

I have looked into forming a corporation in the past. They wanted me to ignore too many laws to do though.

Washington State wants me to get a EIN before hiring anyone. That is a federal number. There is no federal law requiring me to get an EIN to hire anyone.
I would have to go back through all that old research again to explain all the legal problems.

The "limited liability" refers to the civil liability of the officers of the company. There is no legal protection against criminal actions by one or more officers, employees, or agents of the company. The LLC is a way to avoid losing your house, cars, etc should your business be sued and your assets seized. That's it.

 

[TechnoWeenie]

So you're saying you don't need to obtain an EIN when you hire someone and withhold Federal Taxes for them?? Just how would you propose to remit those funds as required? To prepare 1099's if you don't withhold?

Not all requirements are codified in law, some are IRS rules. If you are a sole proprietor business you can get by with reporting solely under your SS#. Hire people and you need an EIN. That's why it's called an "EMPLOYER Identification Number.

Check out the questionnaire here http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Do-You-Need-an-EIN%3F

If you answer yes to any question you have to have an EIN. Since the first one is "Do you have employees", that's pretty straight forward. It really doesn't matter what the State wants or not, it's an IRS requirement.

This is why you have 'independent contractors', NOT employees.

No reporting requirements, no tax requirements/remittance, no L&I payments, etc etc.

 

[Freedom1Man]

So you're saying you don't need to obtain an EIN when you hire someone and withhold Federal Taxes for them?? Just how would you propose to remit those funds as required? To prepare 1099's if you don't withhold?

Not all requirements are codified in law, some are IRS rules. If you are a sole proprietor business you can get by with reporting solely under your SS#. Hire people and you need an EIN. That's why it's called an "EMPLOYER Identification Number.

Check out the questionnaire here http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Do-You-Need-an-EIN?

If you answer yes to any question you have to have an EIN. Since the first one is "Do you have employees", that's pretty straight forward. It really doesn't matter what the State wants or not, it's an IRS requirement.

An "employee" for the purposes you are describing are only those who are participating in the socialist security program. Since that is the only "employee" that for tax purposes (well you'll have to read part of Title 20 USC for the full details of who an "employee" is). I never used the words employ or employee. I said that the state wants me to get an EIN before I hire anyone. Please read forms SS-4 and SS-5 and pull up the OMB number research on them. They are voluntary.

You did not cite any law to back up your statement. The IRS is under no obligation to tell the truth on it's website. However the law is the law. You have done nothing to back up you statement.

As for 1099 reporting there is no requirement for that. Then there is the TIN/ITIN/SSN issue. Only an attorney who is acting as an attorney for the purpose of the payment is required to fill out the TIN space with a number and even then they don't have to certify it. It's like you've never read the instructions for that form or something.

 

[Hef]

This is why you have 'independent contractors', NOT employees.

No reporting requirements, no tax requirements/remittance, no L&I payments, etc etc.

If the IRS views your business relationship with your 1099 contractor as being "employee/employer", where you are dictating tasks, hours, etc in a way that demonstrates direct supervision, they can and will demand payroll taxes on the 1099 payout to the contractor.

 

[Freedom1Man]

If the IRS views your business relationship with your 1099 contractor as being "employee/employer", where you are dictating tasks, hours, etc in a way that demonstrates direct supervision, they can and will demand payroll taxes on the 1099 payout to the contractor.

So please show me where you find "payroll taxes" in the law.

If you cannot find them there then how can anyone demand them?

I'll bet you're one of those who does not even know what a dollar is.

EDIT:

BTW who gives a rat's turd what the IRS thinks/says, unless it's in the law, if it's not then, the IRS has nothing to stand on. It's funny to note that you have yet to cite any law saying a citizen is required to have a SSN to live and work within the states of the union. If you cannot do that then all of your other statements and arguments on this topic have ZERO meaning and are given ZERO weight.

 

[darkside]

question?

Just a simple question.

What does any of this have to do with topic of this thread?


Just curious.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Just a simple question.

What does any of this have to do with topic of this thread?


Just curious.

It started out as a property rights discussion about Safeway and ability to ban carry.

We went off on a tangent. Since it is about businesses, rights, and law well it's sorta on topic.

My 'opposition' advocates breaking the law and does not realize it. Since advocating law breaking is against forum rules... they are walking a fine line.

As for me I am trying to expose the underlying problem that when exposed and brought to light publicly. This action will then help us have our rights recognized and create a move civilized society where we all can OC anywhere open the public in general, legally without worry of arrest.

If people knew and understood the truth about what is going on here. It's funny that people who watched this video missed the whole thing about self ownership. [video=youtube;muHg86Mys7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I[/video]
Yes I had seen this in the past linked to taxes and liberty.
It's also a violation of Christian law to participate in the Socialist Security Program it's just that most people who claim to be Christian, just are not Christian.
Thou shall not steal.

 

[Hef]

So please show me where you find "payroll taxes" in the law.

If you cannot find them there then how can anyone demand them?

I'll bet you're one of those who does not even know what a dollar is.

EDIT:

BTW who gives a rat's turd what the IRS thinks/says, unless it's in the law, if it's not then, the IRS has nothing to stand on. It's funny to note that you have yet to cite any law saying a citizen is required to have a SSN to live and work within the states of the union. If you cannot do that then all of your other statements and arguments on this topic have ZERO meaning and are given ZERO weight.

1) Internal Revenue code is part of the United States Code, Title 26. It is federal law. You cannot legally operate a business in the United States free from the constraints of the tax code.

2) I never said a word about an SSN. You need to get your argument straight. I simply corrected you on your misunderstanding of the nature of business liability.

3) Tell me again, what is your experience in business?

EDIT:

You start a business and ignore your tax obligations, then let me know how that works out for you.

 

[Freedom1Man]

1) Internal Revenue code is part of the United States Code, Title 26. It is federal law. You cannot legally operate a business in the United States free from the constraints of the tax code.

2) I never said a word about an SSN. You need to get your argument straight. I simply corrected you on your misunderstanding of the nature of business liability.

3) Tell me again, what is your experience in business?

EDIT:

You start a business and ignore your tax obligations, then let me know how that works out for you.

First off you have not shown that there are any tax obligations when it comes to the paying of workers.

You have still not shown where "pay roll" taxes are found in the law.

My experience is in the study of law. Part of those studies was in creating a business.

The SSN issue came because I was giving you a little bit of credit. Since there are no "pay roll taxes" found in the IRC (Title 26 USC).