IMPORTANT NATIONAL RECIPROCITY ACTION

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut

I actually do obey the law(s) (including not violating trespass law by ... sneaking... my gun in where the property owner has a no gun rule/policy thinking it's OK as long as I don't get caught)

I too obey all applicable laws. And before making sideways accusations about violating trespass laws, you might familiarize yourself with Utah's commercial trespass laws. Discreetly ignoring a private, anti-gun policy at a commercial business is no more a violation of our commercial trespass laws than is declining to let a Walmart greeter check your receipt on the way out the door or popping into a nice restaurant to make a reservation despite not currently wearing the coat and tie that their signage says is required of all customers.

Your descend into snide accusations strongly suggests to me that you are no longer dealing with honest disagreement over national laws, but are engaging in personality issues. That is a very small minded thing to do. Platitudes about a nice day notwithstanding. Mature adults do not so conduct themselves, IMO, and my $0.02 worth. (in case meaningless platitudes turn insults into permissible postings)

Perhaps it would be beneficial to understand that Utah isn't the only State in the Union.

Now what was it I said about your posts containing very little of import but containing a great deal of thinly veiled... dis? Well, it appears the thin veil is growing very thin indeed.

 

[utbagpiper]

And trying to justify handing Daddy Fed the authority to control carry permits by comparing national reciprocity to racism is a not unexpected attempt to play the race card. If you have to go that route you have, at least for me, lowered yourself to the level of all those who play the race card.

What race card? Are our 2nd amd RsKBA less rights than 13th, 14th, and 15th amd rights to vote?

I ask again, would you oppose a Supreme Court ruling that all State laws requiring permits to carry are a violation of the 2nd amd?

Would you oppose a congressional law enforcing the 2nd amd nationwide by banning all requirement for permits?

 

[utbagpiper]

Perhaps it would be beneficial to understand that Utah isn't the only State in the Union.

When you address my specific situation, I will respond with State specific data. Don't try to claim you didn't throw a veiled allegation against me specifically. And then don't try to hide behind "Utah isn't the only State in the union."

If you're going to dish it out...

 

[utbagpiper]

as for your comparison between poorly concealing a firearm where you have specifically signed a contract with the costco enterprise stating you would abide by their policies and ignoring Walmart's recently instituted policy regarding showing your receipt on departure from the store which you didn't contractually agree to is like comparing kumquats with watermelons.

Says you. Probably mostly because I do one and you do the other.

As a friend once told me, most things in politics can be explained by one of two things: "1. Many people are idiots. 2. 'But that is different.'" In some cases, both seem to apply. Just saying...as someone here likes to post frequently.

Yet again, you show you are butt sore over the simple fact that you can't dictate how I live my life. Or maybe you are just upset that my State's population has not seen fit to give bigoted, dangerous, anti-gun policies in public businesses any force of law. Who knows what goes on in your very interesting, special mind.

In any event, I obey the laws of my State and nation. And unlike far too many others here, I never advocate, never even hint, that anyone should do anything except abide all current laws as they work legally to have those laws modified, repealed, or overturned. When you give half as much attention to thinly veiled attempts to violate forum rules by subtly encouraging violation of law as you do to what happens thousands of miles away from you in lil' ol' Utah, I'll consider your angst over my shopping habits is based on some principle other than personality.

You really do seem to have an unhealthy fixation with how I live my personal life. What exactly did your post contribute to the discussion of national reciprocity? Claiming a 2 1/2 year old post about casually concealed vs deeply concealed where either is perfectly legal contributes what, exactly to the discussion? It couldn't possibly be that my typical mode of carrying when visiting Costco has changed in the last 2 years could it? No, it must be something sinister or dishonest. There is something to be said about a person who hasn't changed anything about his opinions, views, or conduct in over a year and expects that nobody else should either. But that something might be taken as an insult if directed toward one of the favored more equal animals on the forum.

 

[utbagpiper]

And if you cannot understand that begging the Federal government for permission is similar to begging Daddy for permission to stay out late then you just keep on posting those verbose dissertations that amount to very little of import and contain a great deal of thinly veiled .... dis.

I just don't know how many times a person has to agree with you on rights vs privileges before you stop accusing them of not understanding the difference. Either your reading comprehension is really lacking, or you are not bothering to read what others post before launching into your tirade about others not understanding. Let's see if this helps.


I fully agree with you about rights vs privileges. A permit is not a right.


I simply disagree with you about the best, most reliable course to get from where our statutes are today, to where government fully respects our rights to keep and bear arms. But it appears to me that you are incapable or unwilling to have a civil, rational discussion on political strategy and tactics. Do feel free to provide evidence that my perceptions are in error.

 

[Grapeshot]

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