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illegal gun sales

Snazuolu

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Just saw on local news about a story concerning 5 out of 8 online gun sellers sold guns illegally by not doing a background check. fox 21 had the story, but the most confusing part was they mentioned that online gun sales dont require background checks. So what exactly was illegal if theres no law about that?
 

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More BS. People buying guns from online sites have to have it shipped to an in-state FFL for transfer, where a 4473 is filled out along with a NICS check. Uninformed people will think that people can order firearms online and have it shipped to their door with no paperwork, FFL, or NICS check.

Aaah, the good old days. I remember buying $15.00 rifles out of Field & Stream classified and having them delivered through the mail.
 

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But back then.......

Aaah, the good old days. I remember buying $15.00 rifles out of Field & Stream classified and having them delivered through the mail.

As I recall, we had to walk thru 3' snow drifts 2 miles to school UP HILL both ways and fight off the Saber Tooth Tigers along the way.

My 3 daughters keep reminding me that I am now officially OTD. (Older Than Dirt)
 

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As I recall, we had to walk thru 3' snow drifts 2 miles to school UP HILL both ways and fight off the Saber Tooth Tigers along the way.

My 3 daughters keep reminding me that I am now officially OTD. (Older Than Dirt)

Yep! Once killed a Grizzly Bear with my loose leaf notebook.:uhoh:
 

p.publius

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Illegal Gun Sales

The issue is that some people are selling guns using the internet to conduct a "face-to-face" or private sales of firearms. The piece claimed that "unlicensed" dealers were knowingly selling guns to people that may not be able to pass a background check. :eek:
 

Thndr

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Yes I saw this last night as I was going to sleep, needless to say it took me a little while to calm down.

They played some audio between a seller and perspective buyer whom said he could not pass a background check and the comments were basically it was ok.

They never clarified in the piece on wdbj, I believe it was, if the sale was an online ffl/dealer or not but they did show the armslist website. So I am thinking they are going after/referring to private sales. My question is could the individuals selling legally possess the firearms or not. For what we now it could have been both parties could not legally poses a firearm.

Very hit and run in the way it was presented to me.
 

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The issue is that some people are selling guns using the internet to conduct a "face-to-face" or private sales of firearms. The piece claimed that "unlicensed" dealers were knowingly selling guns to people that may not be able to pass a background check. :eek:

No proof was presented, all smoke and mirrors. If laws were broken on either side of a transaction, prosecute. Don't waste my time with your ranting and posturing Mr. Bloomie - we have enough laws on the books to handle this.

Bloomie and his ink don't want you to be law abiding - they want you disarmed! He will say or do anything, repeat anything, to that end. Even break the law himself.
 

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I hate to be "that guy" but didn't Virginia pass a law against Bloomie sending his goons into Virginia (physically or via movement of electrons) to do this sort of thing?

And these Bloomie stooges - are they posing as Virginia residents? Or did Bloomie hire actual Virginia residents to do his dirty work here?

Has the AG's office said anything about this yet? And if not, why not?

stay safe.
 

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I hate to be "that guy" but didn't Virginia pass a law against Bloomie sending his goons into Virginia (physically or via movement of electrons) to do this sort of thing?

And these Bloomie stooges - are they posing as Virginia residents? Or did Bloomie hire actual Virginia residents to do his dirty work here?

Has the AG's office said anything about this yet? And if not, why not?

stay safe.

I had the same questions Skid.
I can't find the answers but if NY'ers are coming here, I hope Cuccinelli gives them a nice long paid visit.
 

Grapeshot

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I hate to be "that guy" but didn't Virginia pass a law against Bloomie sending his goons into Virginia (physically or via movement of electrons) to do this sort of thing?

And these Bloomie stooges - are they posing as Virginia residents? Or did Bloomie hire actual Virginia residents to do his dirty work here?

Has the AG's office said anything about this yet? And if not, why not?

stay safe.

I thought so too, Skid but can't find it....need coffee.
 

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Don't forget, these anti-gun folks will not admit it and will even deny it to the press, but they actually believe that any non-government person who owns or possesses a gun is already a criminal. They have to keep their views framed in a context and euphemistic wording that is not so bizarre as to outrage the average citizen.

If you read them long enough, you will see that it slips out from time to time.

TFred
 

skidmark

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I thought so too, Skid but can't find it....need coffee.

I'm thinking it is buried somewhere in here http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+9.1-139 regarding private investigators. Based on my faulty memory the flap last time was the goons Bloomie sent to gun shows were acting as private investigators or were NYC private investigators working in Virginia without proper credentials.

I could be wrong and there is some other section of the Code where all this is buried.

stay safe.
 

LRS76251

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Virginia code 1950 reference and linky

Here is the link detailing that it is a class 6 felony violation to conduct simulated stings for firearms sales by unauthroized people...specifically, Bloomie. Go down to L1 of the link and read it for yourself.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?071+ful+CHAP0509

Then AG McDonnell sent Bloomberg a letter warning him not to conduct simulated stings in the Commonwealth. McDonnell is also the person responsible for recommending the bill prohibiting the activity. It was part of the 2007 session, HB 2653.
 
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Grapeshot

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Here is the link detailing that it is a class 6 felony violation to conduct simulated stings for firearms sales by unauthroized people...specifically, Bloomie. Go down to L1 of the link and read it for yourself.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?071+ful+CHAP0509

Then AG McDonnell sent Bloomberg a letter warning him not to conduct simujlated stings in the Commonwealth. McDonnell is also the person responsible for recommending the bill prohibiting the activity. It was part of the 2007 session, HB 2653.

That's it! Was right there in front of me all along.

§ 18.2-308.2:2 of the Code of Virginia

L1. Any person who attempts to solicit, persuade, encourage, or entice any dealer to transfer or otherwise convey a firearm other than to the actual buyer, as well as any other person who willfully and intentionally aids or abets such person, shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. This subsection shall not apply to a federal law-enforcement officer or a law-enforcement officer as defined in § 9.1-101, in the performance of his official duties, or other person under his direct supervision.
 

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That's it! Was right there in front of me all along.

§ 18.2-308.2:2 of the Code of Virginia
L1. Any person who attempts to solicit, persuade, encourage, or entice any dealer to transfer or otherwise convey a firearm other than to the actual buyer, as well as any other person who willfully and intentionally aids or abets such person, shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. This subsection shall not apply to a federal law-enforcement officer or a law-enforcement officer as defined in § 9.1-101, in the performance of his official duties, or other person under his direct supervision.
Looks like it leaves out attempts to bait private sellers.

TFred
 

LRS76251

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Yep, I noticed that as well TFred. Maybe it needs to be fixed. Bloomie and his ilk will always try to work the loopholes in the law. He's a real sleazeball IMHO.
 
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