How different is you're States 2nd A in comparison to The United States Constitution?

[Running Wolf]

Wisconsin Article 1, Section 25:

Section 25. [As created Nov. 1998] The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.

 

[MAC702]

Nevada's is perhaps as good as it gets, in Article 1, Section 11:

Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.

 

[kcgunfan]

Ours will pass that if Constitutional Amendment 5 passes next month.

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[SouthernBoy]

We don't have a Second Amendment in Virginia, however we do have Section 13... which is really more important for Virginians. Section 13 was the text from which the Second Amendment in the U.S. Bill of Rights was drawn by James Madison. We can thank Patrick Henry and George Mason for convincing Mr. Madison that a Bill of Rights was not only necessary but essential to the continued liberty of a free people.


"Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

 

[skidmark]

We don't have a Second Amendment in Virginia, however we do have Section 13... ....

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State "Second Amendment" - shorthand for the codified RKBA.

Now I guess you are going to try to convince me that "codified" only applies to The Code of Virginia of 1950, As Amended?
(for those not from Virginia, that's our written laws)

stay safe

 

[SouthernBoy]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: [stopped oly because oCDO limits me to 5 smileys per post]

State "Second Amendment" - shorthand for the codified RKBA.

Now I guess you are going to try to convince me that "codified" only applies to The Code of Virginia of 1950, As Amended?
(for those not from Virginia, that's our written laws)

stay safe

Nope. But I should hope you would understand my gist with my post.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Thanks Skid, I posted this on Whatcom Countys fazeboog page. Can I send you a check or will you accept paypal?



This is a quandary. Does this mean that the Whatcom County Chapter of Washington Open Carry cannot "organize", or must we remain a "loosely knit group of like minded individuals"?

but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

The way I see it is the state doesn't authorize it. We the people don't need state authorization. Since it doesn't specifically prohibit it then by our legal standards it is allowed.

We don't have a Second Amendment in Virginia, however we do have Section 13... which is really more important for Virginians. Section 13 was the text from which the Second Amendment in the U.S. Bill of Rights was drawn by James Madison. We can thank Patrick Henry and George Mason for convincing Mr. Madison that a Bill of Rights was not only necessary but essential to the continued liberty of a free people.


"Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

+1 I use the Virginia constitution quite a bit in trying to explain the plain meaning of the 2A.

 

[skidmark]

Nope. But I should hope you would understand my gist with my post.

Yep! Got the gist the first time. Just trying to maintain pedanticity.

stay safe.

 

[cloudcroft]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but...

America is probably the ONLY country in the world (even Israel and Switzerland -- often cited as being "free" -- have restrictions) where citizens (in most but not ALL states, sadly) have the right to carry a handgun, either CC (usually with a permit, but that's another topic) or OC (usually no permit required, like it SHOULD be). The rest of the countries on this planet regularly vilify America for its "Gun Culture" and want it done away with, partly, I suppose, in hope of 'emasculating' America just like THEY all allowed themselves to be, where NO such gun freedoms exist today.

If for no other reason except "national identity," America MUST keep its "gun culture" intact, and even RESTORE what has earlier been infringed upon. There should even be MANY MORE people carrying guns out there, preferably visibly (OC) so EVERYONE can see one BIG DIFFERENCE between America and the rest of the subject/serf/slave countries of the world.

Like some cops have said, a gun is a symbol of power...why not should We the People display that symbol as WE are supposed to have the power? Further, it's the also the "badge" of a FREE people...not serfs, subjects or slaves. Why hide a badge?

The 2nd Amendment/RKBA is ONE cultural characteristic than makes America VASTLY DIFFERENT from every other nation in the world. Maybe it's THE most important difference. Why would we ever WANT to be like ANY other country?

And to hell with World Opinion -- that and $2.36 will get me a cup of coffee at my local IHOP...

 

[MAC702]

I've researched Honduras as a possible retirement. Guns can be bought in country from the government store which does not sell American brands. Taurus is a big seller there. Gun carrying permits can be easily obtained, but word on the street is that they are lax with the expats who live there anyway.

There are probably other countries like Honduras where getting and carrying guns is easier than it is in some states of the USA.

 

[countryclubjoe]

I've researched Honduras as a possible retirement. Guns can be bought in country from the government store which does not sell American brands. Taurus is a big seller there. Gun carrying permits can be easily obtained, but word on the street is that they are lax with the expats who live there anyway.

There are probably other countries like Honduras where getting and carrying guns is easier than it is in some states of the USA.

Much easier then New Jersey, I suspect.

Regards

CCJ