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Governor to BAN OC in Executive Branch Buildings

color of law

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Brandishing, assault - whatever they claim happened outside of the view of the judge. It only takes one LEO, one magistrate, and one prosecutor to come together in the dark corner of the night. Remember the governor wants his voters to "feel good."

Skidmark went thorough such an ordeal that lasted about 2 years before he was vindicated.

Scouser is still dealing with his case - waiting for the Va court system to move.
Been there, done that.
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/09/21/compliant-with-exhibits/
 

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That may change. I was wondering why I was getting glared at at DGIF today.

Wish I could have made it. Kinda kicking myself.

I remember OCing to that public forum and feeling so normal in there with a sidearm, even with the suits. Maybe they're scared? Seems they're scared. I'm not sure what of, however. Does anyone even address the board members personally? Make contact with them regularly? I remember leaving that meeting and making a list of board members and some notes on each member. I should try and find that notebook...
 

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Wish I could have made it. Kinda kicking myself.

I remember OCing to that public forum and feeling so normal in there with a sidearm, even with the suits. Maybe they're scared? Seems they're scared. I'm not sure what of, however. Does anyone even address the board members personally? Make contact with them regularly? I remember leaving that meeting and making a list of board members and some notes on each member. I should try and find that notebook...

Yeah, the land owners association addresses them reguraly. Looks like they're finally going to do something about the dog hunters.
 

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Yeah, the land owners association addresses them reguraly. Looks like they're finally going to do something about the dog hunters.

I hope that there may be hope, at least I hope I do. Sorry I could not be there today. I had a work related meeting that they didn't think I should miss.
 

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I hope that there may be hope, at least I hope I do. Sorry I could not be there today. I had a work related meeting that they didn't think I should miss.

Don't want to take this thread off topic FB. Pm me and yeah, big steps today.
 

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The ABC IS part of the executive branch . It is currently under Brian J. Moran, the Sec of Public Safety and Homeland Security.

Whom, or what it will be under after it becomes a separate "authority" in 2018 I can not say.
 

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and when this EO is challenged, will some be pushing for "well how about you allow carry but only for those with a CHP, as has been the case in the GA" ?
 
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http://www.fredericksburg.com/news/...cle_75264b96-7412-5bbd-8276-161af074fd47.html

This triad of liberal traitors, McAuliffe, Kaine, and Herring, need to all be booted out office. This article does say that the EO does not apply to the State Capitol or the General Assembly building. So besides the ABC stores, where else does it apply?

See post #7, repeated at post #36.

Down and dirty version? If it aint the legislature or the courts it's the executive branch. That's easily 90%+ of your contacts with anything related to state government, from buying a bottle of booze to renewing your EZ PASS in person to going to the DMV to take the eye test to renew your DL to going to the Lottery office to pick up your big-sized check.

Mind just kicked me in the pants - state parks and forests are under the executive branch as well. And for those that may have missed it, the Welcome/Rest Stops along the interstates. And .... And .... And....

stay safe.
 

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Since we are a group that focuses on the actual wording of statutes, regulations, and now executive orders, I wonder if "office" is defined in VAC or CoV? Guess I'll have to get on that.
 

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The DMV near me is in it's own separate building. I can see this being a state owned building.

The ABC stores near me are in strip malls. Does the state own that section of the strip mall? Does the manager's office in the back room qualify as a state office?
 
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Almost wrecked my vehicle when I heard this on WRVA yesterday.....

....and immediately called Skidmark.

He advised me not to have a stroke (he is not an attorney or doctor, but has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express).

Have OC'd in ABC stores and DMV.


DON'T EVER LET ANYONE GET AWAY WITH SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!

My employment often sends me alone to both urban and rural environments. Gov. Tmac, I don't feel safe in some areas unless I am armed. Does my need to feel safe not count?

I would like further clarification (cite?) that breaking an EO is a misdemeanor. Will re-read the thread to see if I missed it. Doesn't feel right that Terrified MacAuliff can essentially write law through EO. Could he write an EO that anyone named Riverrat was banned from seeking public office? Having a drivers license? Driving while black?

Seems the possibilities are endless. I think we are fooked.
 
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The DMV near me is in it's own separate building. I can see this being a state owned building.

The ABC stores near me are in strip malls. Does the state own that section of the strip mall? Does the manager's office in the back room qualify as a state office?

As to the ABC store and the manager's office in the back - they are covered by the EO.

They do not own that property but rent the space. Once the lease is established they start enforcing state laws and regulations and executive orders within the four walls of the store.

If you want to be more entertained than watching paint dry head over the web site for the Dept of General Services and find the boilerplate for state contracts. It's all spelled out there. If you run into trouble doing that you can write to DRES-Info@dgs.virginia.gov and ask them to show you where the ''boilerplate" is at.

stay safe.
 

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....and immediately called Skidmark.

He advised me not to have a stroke (he is not an attorney or doctor, but has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express).

Have OC'd in ABC stores and DMV.


DON'T EVER LET ANYONE GET AWAY WITH SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!

My employment often sends me alone to both urban and rural environments. Gov. Tmac, I don't feel safe in some areas unless I am armed. Does my need to feel safe not count?

I would like further clarification (cite?) that breaking an EO is a misdemeanor. Will re-read the thread to see if I missed it. Doesn't feel right that Terrified MacAuliff can essentially write law through EO. Could he write an EO that anyone named Riverrat was banned from seeking public office? Having a drivers license? Driving while black?

Seems the possibilities are endless. I think we are fooked.

Let's start with http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter1/section2.2-123/

Then play with http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter1/section2.2-106/

And then go here http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter1/section2.2-103/

Basic civics teaches us that the Governor may make rules and policies regarding the Executive branch, and may direct that certain regulations be established to enforce those rules and policies. The Va Administrative Code is where regulations are and violation of a regulation in the Administrative Code is generally a misdemeanor http://codecommission.dls.virginia.gov/faq_va_admin_code.shtml
The Virginia Administrative Code contains the permanent regulations for the Commonwealth of Virginia. Regulations have the force of law and are written and administered by state agencies as authorized by the General Assembly. The Virginia Administrative Code online is updated daily.

By default if it's not listed as a felony it's a misdemeanor.

Now, what can the Executive Order do to you as an individual?

EO. Could he write an EO that anyone named Riverrat was banned from seeking public office? Having a drivers license? Driving while black?

No, because the Va Constitution and state laws govern classes of people who are prohibited from holding office or not qualified from getting/possessing/using a DL. The US Constitution's prohibition on Bills of Attainder protects you as an individual.

As for the DWB - first of all you are not, so quit worrying. As for DWRR (driving while RiverRat) - there are laws that control when, where, and how you may drive, and if RiverRat violates those laws he's going to get a ticket at the very least and may have his DL suspended or revoked if found guilty. But specifically DWRR? It is covered under bills of attainder.

Go drink a large glass of moo juice and put your feet up. You can relax and quit worrying about Them coming after you specifically via EOs.

stay safe.
 
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Thought I saw this on the thread earlier...

... but seems to have disappeared.

Va constitution Article 1, section 13: (emphasis mine)

"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

Infringe

from Merriam Webster: :
to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )
: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

from Oxford:
Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.):
Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on

from American Heritage:
To infringe is defined as to violate a law or agreement, or to exceed limits.

Skid's points about state parks and forests and even rest areas really concerns me.

Am feeling very infringed upon today.
 
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Tarheel travelers suffered for quite awhile until the kind legislature or was it GRNC, i get so confused who actually passes firearm laws in this state, but anyway the statute was changed which allowed those armed citizens visiting the rest areas along our byways to be able to 'legally' use the restrooms as some claimed you couldn't cuz they should be considered state facilities and existing statutes on the books stated no firearms in state facilities.

personally, before it was changed, i am aware of quite a few NC rest area nature spaces which were provided...

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