Got Pulled Over while Open Carrying... Good Experience FHP

[thejax]

So I was driving along the interstate in the left lane driving fast like a lot of people in FL do and I get nailed. No problem. Guess i am going to traffic school.

I was open carrying on my right as the way my seatbelt is I don't like my shirt over it. I usually have my carry permit in a leather vertical display ID carrier on my belt right in front of my firearm. After I pull over. I take off my ID carrier as the bottom is velcro. As the officer walks up to the car on the right I have the window down and display my permit right away and identify myself as a holder. I know I didn't need to inform the officer but since it is in plain view on my hip I wanted to. The officer sees it and asks if I plan on shooting him today if he give me a ticket. I told him no and he laughed. I gave him my credentials and he also asked to take my permit with him to run it to make sure it was valid. He had me sitting for 10 minutes. Came back with a ticket and told me to slow it down. Looked at my firearm again then told me to have a nice day.

FHP at their finest. I am not saying how fast I was going or what I got a ticket for but lets just say i deserved the ticket and the FHP Trooper kept it all business. Here is the ticket and on the way with you. Your firearm is not my concern because you are a law-abiding citizen.

 

[Badger Johnson]

Just curious, does your permit have any numbers or anything which would permit 'running it' for validity? Serial number of firearm? Photo?

Also, wondering why you didn't avail yourself of the knowledge of whether Florida is or is not a 'must inform' state?

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf

I would urge you to print out this document and study it. As it turns out Florida is NOT a 'must inform' state (according to this).

Good luck.

 

[thejax]

Typical OCDO behavior.

And you wonder why you have a lot more readers then posters.

Look I support everything you people do but I am tired of posting a story and it being over analyzed about what I did or what I could of done. Telling me I should educate myself. Tisk Tisk.

The officer requested my permit and I choose to gave it to him. I am also aware of FL law in regards to informing the officer but I chose to do so anyway.

I appreciate you assuming I am ignorant on all laws and questioning what kind of permit I have. I am uncomfortable with this and I really do not plan on posting a story about encounters again because of it.

I had a good encounter with an LEO and I wanted to let everyone know. Nothing more to it. Nobody is perfect and maybe your website would be more successful if you welcomed people to OCDO in open arms and not question or analyze everything they say when they post a comment. I'm sorry but sometimes you people make me so angry. Anyway happy holidays.

 

[rvrctyrngr]

Glad everything went well. :banana: Seems few folks have issues with FHP and lawfully-carried weapons.

Just FYI...open carry of a handgun in your vehicle in FL is not generally legal....licensed or not, unless you are going to/from the range, hunting, camping, or fishing.

 

[DanieltheAnvil]

Here is the ticket and on the way with you. Your firearm is not my concern because you are a law-abiding citizen.

Well technically you were a law breaking citizen at the time. FHP are pretty cool. have a few friends there. They almost never issue warnings. They give tickets 99 percent of the time.

 

[VW_Factor]

Don't take the critique so personally.

You don't have to follow exactly what everyone else does. Do what you are comfortable with.

 

[Kingfish]

and not question or analyze everything they say when they post a comment.

So, you wanted to relate a story but wanted absolutely no comment or critique on it? Maybe you should post it on Facebook where you can delete comments as YOU see fit.

 

[hammer6]

Here is the ticket and on the way with you. Your firearm is not my concern because you are a law-abiding citizen.

Well technically you were a law breaking citizen at the time. FHP are pretty cool. have a few friends there. They almost never issue warnings. They give tickets 99 percent of the time.

i guess i am once again the 1%. i've been pulled over 4 times by FHP and gotten a ticket only once. lol.

 

[Golden-Arm]

i guess i am once again the 1%. i've been pulled over 4 times by FHP and gotten a ticket only once. lol.

technically, that makes you a 25%er...... :banana:



for "thejax", dont let it bother you. i clearly read in your post where you said you are aware of the law, and notification not being required. anyone trying to school you after you make that post, is just looking for debate, imo. i have offered my cwp with my dl, if i felt like it. was asked "where is it"? i responded "in my waistband". the response i got was "let's keep it there". no big deal. other times, no mention made. i make the same decisions as the cop, and bring whats needed to the table, based on whats going down. if i feel i might be asked to exit the car, i would present the card to prevent being put into a felony arrest positition, by an over eager leo.

 

[JeepSeller]

anyone trying to school you after you make that post, is just looking for debate, imo.

Absolutely correct IMHO. I've often been fascinated by the hypocrisy of a group of people (gun forums) so adamantly devoted to their own rights, and, yet are so willing to be critical and even would attempt to deprive someone else of a right (the right to CHOOSE to inform or not) simply because they don't agree with that choice.

Also, it must be noted that some folks have such an anti-LEO agenda that it's obvious they just cannot stand to see a positive LEO thread that acts in counter to all their rhetoric and will stop at nothing to turn even the most positive of LEO experience threads into a LEO bashing one. It's such a silly phenomenon on these gun forums, I've learned to ignore it for the most part. Closed minds aren't worth the trouble any longer.

 

[hammer6]

technically, that makes you a 25%er...... :banana:

FRICK!!! hahahahha thanks

 

[MKEgal]

does your permit have any numbers or anything which would permit 'running it' for validity? Serial number of firearm? Photo?

Yes, FL permits have a photo & number, though do not list anything w/r/t firearms.

...the hypocrisy of a group of people (gun forums) so adamantly devoted to their own rights, and, yet are so willing to be critical and even would attempt to deprive someone else of a right (the right to CHOOSE to inform or not) simply because they don't agree with that choice.

Also, it must be noted that some folks have such an anti-LEO agenda...

Taking those in reverse order, I think I've earned any "anti-LEO attitude" anyone might detect, & even at that I try to be neutral until a particular officers actions show s/he is either law-abiding or not.

And while I don't think any of us would seriously try to tell someone else "this is the only right way" (other than maybe safety), most of us who value our rights will try to explain the negative consequences of some choices.
While it's perfectly OK for someone to knowingly give up their rights, it can make life more difficult for the rest of us.

For example, if you automatically give your name, show your ID/license/permit, allow searches, answer questions, talk without a lawyer present, or whatever other right(s) you choose to give up, you reinforce the conditioning/expectations of (many) LEO to expect that as "normal" from all people.

When they run into one of us who values our rights & won't waive them for the convenience of the public servant who is (supposedly) engaging us in a consensual conversation [or maybe even with RAS or PC], it upsets their worldview. That often makes life more difficult for those of us who value the rights protected by the Constitutions & various laws. Sometimes it even moves the (less-informed &/or less law-abiding) LEO to break the law, which can be costly to both the citizen & (eventually) the LEA & the gov't body which it serves... which really means the taxpayers.

 

[ManInBlack]

Typical OCDO behavior.

And you wonder why you have a lot more readers then posters.

Look I support everything you people do but I am tired of posting a story and it being over analyzed about what I did or what I could of done. Telling me I should educate myself. Tisk Tisk.

It's the internet. Readers have a right (within the bounds of forum rules) to critique what you post in a public place. Period.

The officer requested my permit and I choose to gave it to him. I am also aware of FL law in regards to informing the officer but I chose to do so anyway.

According to your original post, you showed him your permit immediately, before he even had a chance to ask for it. You wrote:

As the officer walks up to the car on the right I have the window down and display my permit right away and identify myself as a holder.

I appreciate you assuming I am ignorant on all laws and questioning what kind of permit I have. I am uncomfortable with this and I really do not plan on posting a story about encounters again because of it.

I haven't seen anyone assume you are ignorant of all laws, nor did I find Badger's questions about the Florida permit to be threatening - it is interesting (and perhaps telling) that you did. Also, you are free to not post again, just as others are free to comment on your posts, and you are free to get butthurt about others' comments on your posts. It's awesome having so much freedom in a free country, isn't it?

I had a good encounter with an LEO and I wanted to let everyone know. Nothing more to it. Nobody is perfect and maybe your website would be more successful if you welcomed people to OCDO in open arms and not question or analyze everything they say when they post a comment. I'm sorry but sometimes you people make me so angry. Anyway happy holidays.

1. I didn't see anyone criticizing you for having a good LEO encounter.
2. I didn't see anyone claim to be perfect.
3. No one is ever welcomed with open arms by everyone on any forum. It's the internet, man; grow a thicker skin or find something else to do.
4. The purpose of a forum is to question and analyze others' posts. This is not a gladhand session.
5. Life's too short to be angry.

 

[MedWheeler]

Hello, all. Just joined today while researching this very topic. I've been doing so because some thoughts have been occurring to me. I think that, with the passage of SB234 earlier this year, it remains to be seen whether or not the practice of "open carry" while in one's own MV will continue to be regarded as illegal. The reason I think this is that Florida law considers a firearm to be hidden (in both legal and illegal aspects) if it is "concealed from the ordinary sight of another person." Now, in most cases, especially in mine, since I am left-handed, when one is operating a motor vehicle (MV) and is alone in same, few, if any, other people would be able to see a firearm worn on the belt without exercising a level of sight beyond "ordinary". If someone walks up to your car and deliberately peers inside, that would be such an example, no different than if someone were to stoop down and look up one's jacket.
True, when one then exits their MV without covering first, the weapon becomes visible. However, the law now allows such "brief" visibility, as long as it is not "in a rude, threatening, or angry manner not in necessary self defense." (The definition of "brief" has not been determined yet by either statute or case law.) Once outside, the person would either doff the weapon and return it to proper storage, or don a cover garment.
At this point, I am certainly not suggesting any of you decide to be the test subject. However, I do believe it warrants discussion in legal circles. Would the practice be considered legal or at least "unprosecutable"? The law allowing for "brief" display as described is new, so there is no experience that I know of with it. I'm wondering if the FHP may even have issued directives or suggestions to consider these factors when encountering such situations.
I really don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll try to start a new topic on this as well, or see if anyone has beat me to it.