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Ft Lauderdale lessons to be learned.

Thundar

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Yes the baggage area in Ft Lauderdale was a gun free zone. Florida, like Virginia has a law against firearms possession in non-secure areas of airport terminal buildings. This needs correcting. We should not be disarmed anywhere where the government has not taken affirmative steps to ensure all are disarmed (Secure areas of airport, courtrooms, etc.)

Will Virginia learn from the Ft. Lauderdale tragedy, or will the known vulnerability be continued??

Live Free or DIe,
Thundar
 
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The Truth

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Lizzurds like this to occur. Gives them reason to damand all your guns.

Looks like someone got the ban hammer again. Upon searching recent posts, I can't seem to find a specific post that did it.

I like Mcbeth's posts...sometimes. Other times he needs to learn to keep the commentary to a minimum because he makes good points, just talks too dang much.
 

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Looks like someone got the ban hammer again. Upon searching recent posts, I can't seem to find a specific post that did it.

I like Mcbeth's posts...sometimes. Other times he needs to learn to keep the commentary to a minimum because he makes good points, just talks too dang much.
It's the result of the fermentation and distillation processes.
 
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Wstar425

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Looks like someone got the ban hammer again. Upon searching recent posts, I can't seem to find a specific post that did it.

I like Mcbeth's posts...sometimes. Other times he needs to learn to keep the commentary to a minimum because he makes good points, just talks too dang much.

It's a good start.........!!??!!
 

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You guys are just too demanding on the li'l fella. He is quite entertaining...if only he'd post some videos of his civil disobedience he'd get more cred.

Bring him back soon, m'kay? It gets boring in here without him.
 

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You can lead a Thundar to water....

I reviewed the thread. It would be better to discuss Virginia law in the Virginia sub-forum. My reference to Virginia Law is correct.

Grapeshot, being a gentleman, was subtly hinting you might want to double-check. Apparently, he was too subtle for you.

§ 18.2-287.01. Carrying weapon in air carrier airport terminal. It shall be unlawful for any person to possess or transport into any air carrier airport terminal in the Commonwealth any (i) gun or other weapon...

So this prohibition applies only to the passenger terminal where commercial air carrier flights board. There are lots of "non-secure airport buildings" where carry is not prohibited under this law: parking structures, FBOs, hangars, maintenance facilities, etc.
 
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roscoe13

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Grapeshot, being a gentleman, was subtly hinting you might want to double-check. Apparently, he was too subtle for you.

§ 18.2-287.01. Carrying weapon in air carrier airport terminal. It shall be unlawful for any person to possess or transport into any air carrier airport terminal in the Commonwealth any (i) gun or other weapon...

So this prohibition applies only to the passenger terminal where commercial air carrier flights board. There are lots of "non-secure airport buildings" where carry is not prohibited under this law: parking structures, FBOs, hangars, maintenance facilities, etc.

The baggage claim area, which is the area of interest in this case, is generally in the air carrier airport terminal...

Roscoe
 

Thundar

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The baggage claim area, which is the area of interest in this case, is generally in the air carrier airport terminal...

Roscoe

Ding, ding, ding. We have a context winner. I have edited the original post so that it is abundantly clear to all, with no need for context.
 
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riverrat10k

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I need to re-read this statue carefully.....

...because Dad and I have carried locked cases full of shotguns into RIC many times, but not for a few years.
We, without a doubt, carried firearms into the terminal as checked luggage and arrived at our destination without incident. We insured them, declared them, opened them, re-locked them, tagged them, and checked them. Don't think they were tagged as firearms, just another checked (aluminum) bag No ammo was carried.

We then retrieved our firearms on the carousel, coming and going.

Concerning to me; re: the thru traveler whose flight was cancelled in NJ, and later charged with illegal possession when he collected his checked gun and went to a hotel.
 
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TFred

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Concerning to me; re: the thru traveler whose flight was cancelled in NJ, and later charged with illegal possession when he collected his checked gun and went to a hotel.
It's been quite some time, so I can't point to the thread, but I recall seeing advice that strongly suggested if this happens for you to simply refuse to accept the firearm from the baggage claim, thus forcing them to store it and, hopefully, eventually checking it on your continuing flight. Even if they try to insist and intimidate you. As you note, this has happened, and the NJ thugs, who mostly view you as a criminal already, really couldn't care less how you ended up in possession.

Unless you are transporting a quite literally priceless firearm*, even losing it would be better than a couple years in jail, after which you would lose it anyway.

TFred

* Reminds me of recent stories about the professional violinist who must travel with her violin, which, while not a Stradivarius, was built by a contemporary of Stradivarius. Upon reaching her assigned seat, she was instructed to check the violin. Obviously, she protested, and ultimately refusing to check the instrument, was finally forced to leave the aircraft by the pilot himself. Major. PR. Disaster. While certainly not an enjoyable experience, I think it would be somewhat satisfying to inform the captain, "Sir, I will certainly leave if you ask me to, but you should probably know that my violin is worth more money than your airplane."
 

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The baggage claim area, which is the area of interest in this case, is generally in the air carrier airport terminal...

Roscoe

Ding, ding, ding. We have a context winner. I have edited the original post so that it is abundantly clear to all, with no need for context.

...because Dad and I have carried locked cases full of shotguns into RIC many times, but not for a few years.
We, without a doubt, carried firearms into the terminal as checked luggage and arrived at our destination without incident. We insured them, declared them, opened them, re-locked them, tagged them, and checked them. Don't think they were tagged as firearms, just another checked (aluminum) bag No ammo was carried.

We then retrieved our firearms on the carousel, coming and going.

18.2-287.01. Carrying weapon in air carrier airport terminal. Prohibits carry within the air carrier airport terminal, except "...any passenger of an airline who, to the extent otherwise permitted by law, transports a lawful firearm, weapon, or ammunition into or out of an air carrier airport terminal for the sole purposes, respectively, of (i) presenting such firearm, weapon, or ammunition to U.S. Customs agents in advance of an international flight, in order to comply with federal law, (ii) checking such firearm, weapon, or ammunition with his luggage, or (iii) retrieving such firearm, weapon, or ammunition from the baggage claim area."

So one must be a passenger of an airline, be transporting (as opposed to carrying) a lawful firearm (weapon, ammo, etc.), and follow proper procedures checking and retrieving one's property. Note that when retrieving said firearm, it must also be "transported" as opposed to carried (i.e. you don't get to slip into the restroom to arm up prior to leaving the terminal), at least in Virginia.
 

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Thanks 2a4all

I read the statute in its entirety after posting.

So, from what I read about this incident, the shooter was "legal" until he took the gun out of his luggage. He checked it, retrieved it, then committed the first offense when "transport" became "carry".

Not sure how to safeguard against this without a complete ban on transporting firearms, which I would be against of course.
Maybe no ammo? Heavy anyway, and the airlines charge for weight overages now.

Still need to talk to some duck hunting buddies about their trips to Canada, just out of curiosity. Could be difficult to buy ammo at destination for example.
 
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