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Fl Senate once again kills open carry, campus carry

hammer6

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Why thank you for taking an interest in the article! :)

Well, my thinking on this is that if I were a 21 year old who was licensed to carry a firearm, and carried daily as a matter of course for my personal protection, and if I were about to enter college, and had the choice of going to one in Florida where I'd be a sitting duck on campus, or Georgia where I could carry if HB 859 passes (and it looks like it will), what choice do you think I'd make?

But you don't suppose there are others that think this way in Florida? I'm not mocking that or anything. ;-)


i think you'd choose whichever college your parents said they would pay for.
 
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Originally Posted by phil1979

Why thank you for taking an interest in the article! :)

Well, my thinking on this is that if I were a 21 year old who was licensed to carry a firearm, and carried daily as a matter of course for my personal protection, and if I were about to enter college, and had the choice of going to one in Florida where I'd be a sitting duck on campus, or Georgia where I could carry if HB 859 passes (and it looks like it will), what choice do you think I'd make?

But you don't suppose there are others that think this way in Florida? I'm not mocking that or anything. ;-)
i think you'd choose whichever college your parents said they would pay for.
That would likely depend on how strongly one feels about personal protection. Many people have acquired their education w/o help from parents.

There are people with the "it won't happen to me" mentality - some of them were at Virginia Tech when the infamous shooting occurred there on April 16, 2007.
 

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Why thank you for taking an interest in the article! :)

Well, my thinking on this is that if I were a 21 year old who was licensed to carry a firearm, and carried daily as a matter of course for my personal protection, and if I were about to enter college, and had the choice of going to one in Florida where I'd be a sitting duck on campus, or Georgia where I could carry if HB 859 passes (and it looks like it will), what choice do you think I'd make?

But you don't suppose there are others that think this way in Florida? I'm not mocking that or anything. ;-)

In reality, I would suspect nearly zero. Especially due to the 3x more expensive out of state tuition?
 

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The old desk drawer veto at work again.

If the folks in his district won't remove him, can the GOP leadership remove his chairmanship or send the bills through a different committee?

Are there any procedural moves that can resurrect the bill or did 1 person just torpedo the whole thing?

The next senate president is very pro gun and will not let him block it. He probably wont' even be Judiciary head. The problem for OC in Florida has always been a game of wack a mole. Solve one problem, another one pops up. Portilla's chairmanship won't be a problem, but we don't know what everything will look like until after the elections and committee assignments are made. In the senate: Dean, Latvala, and Portilla are certain No votes on the Republican side. Gardiner probably too. It's just too early to tell.

Of course, it will have to pass the House again as well.
 
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"Diaz de la Portilla is up for re-election in a newly-drawn District 37, thanks to the lawsuit brought by the League and a coalition of Democrat-leaning voters who challenged the Senate map drawn by Senate Republicans.

But he could face fierce competition from Rep. Jose Javier Rodriguez, a Miami Democrat who has told the Herald/Times that he is considering running for the district after the court approved the map drawn by the League's consultant."

"The new District 37 is heavily Hispanic and leans Democratic with a higher percentage of registered Democrats than Diaz de la Portilla has in his current district. In 2012, the district voted for Barack Obama with 53.6 percent of the vote."

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/diaz-de-la-portilla-explains-why-he-killed-gun-and-immigration-bills/2265842


Could Portilla be defeated? Would be poetic justice.
 

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Could Portilla be defeated? Would be poetic justice.

He could also fall off the planet for all I care but the damage he has caused stays with us.

I still fail to understand the logic of going through all of the House votes, debates, various readings and all that all the time KNOWING that there was no way in hell he was going to let the bill move to a vote in the Senate.

All that wasted time and effort, all the while knowing it was for nothing.

If you do that in any real business except politics, you get fired, or worse.

Hard to believe one guy can completely stop the entire process WITH NO VOTE AT ALL!! Too bad it doesn't work the other way! One guy says "Hey, let do this" and it's done!

What a concept.

AD (dlP should be billed for all the wasted time in the House debates and votes and readings)
 
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I still fail to understand the logic of going through all of the House votes, debates, various readings and all that all the time KNOWING that there was no way in hell he was going to let the bill move to a vote in the Senate.
Cockroaches hate it when you shine a bright light on them.

There is suspecting a person of a thing, and there is allowing that someone to put themselves on display. The difference distinct and it definitely matters.

Just as was RINO Bogdanoff, so we must assure that Democrat Senators wear their colors. There will be no loss to the party or the interest to assure that the dirty RINO Portilla, Castro Lite, is replaced by an actual Democrat.

RINOs. We have a ton of them in Floriduh. As their numbers dwindle, these undercover democrats are replaced by actual ones, the pressure mounts on those that remain to start acting like they should. On the first attempt at OC in Florida, there were over a dozen of them. Now how many? They're falling to the spotlight, one here, one there.

Ironically, it's Democrats who will ultimately help us get OC passed in FL. As the RINOs expose themselves and fall, eventually, there's nobody left willing to throw themselves under the bus. I've never seen a more one-sided election/slaughter than the one Bogdanoff lost after scuttling OC.

The Blue RINO; an endangered species. Republicans better shape up, or ship out. It doesn't hurt us to replace undercover democrats with actual democrats. By all means, vote democrat just to get rid of him. There's no net difference for us. Shining that spotlight, and letting them step into it, are how we know who... This is how you hunt the Blue RINO. To extinction, we hope.

Sell them the shovel with which they dig their own graves. Then piss on the headstone.

I had some money I was going to throw at this, but when I saw the thing unravel, I knew this year wasn't the year. There's p!ss!ng on their grave, and there's p!ss!ng into the wind. I know the difference...
 
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Don't urinate on a flat rock that is tilted your way either. Never, never pee in your own boot.

Select the direction of fire for maximum effect on the desired target.
 

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Don't urinate on a flat rock that is tilted your way either. Never, never pee in your own boot.
Tactical flop-flops require even greater discretion.

I'd even add on a Zero if The Company could get sufficient promotional exposure to justify said Zero.

I guess we'll talk about that come mid-November.
 
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There's no net difference for us.


I agree, there's just not much of a difference. In reality, what separates the US from other modern nations is the right to bear arms. When one travels and reads, something few Amerikans do, one realizes all we have is flag waving BS. Except for the right to bear arms. I could expound on many issues, I have time and energy and money for one, and it's the 2nd amendment. Proud single issue voter here. I would love to see Portilla replaced with a Democrat, and I LOATHE Democrats. They are some of the most dishonest, hysterical, illogical, ignorant, nasty, insincere politicians around. But it's better than a Blue Rhino.
 
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I agree, there's just not much of a difference. In reality, what separates the US from other modern nations is the right to bear arms. When one travels and reads, something few Amerikans do, one realizes all we have is flag waving BS. Except for the right to bear arms. I could expound on many issues, I have time and energy and money for one, and it's the 2nd amendment. Proud single issue voter here. I would love to see Portilla replaced with a Democrat, and I LOATHE Democrats. They are some of the most dishonest, hysterical, illogical, ignorant, nasty, insincere politicians around. But it's better than a Blue Rhino.

“A false friend (All RHINO's) is more dangerous than an open enemy (Most Democrats)”

Keep the faith and remain politically vigilant. Vet candidates - get it in writing or on tape.
 

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My latest article on various means to protest within the law for not having your rights restored this year:

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/02/florida-getting-riled-up-over-open-carry

I've been carrying this: http://www.manventureoutpost.com/pr...fXUXKOlvQtESWt7DltEGuHdlAK-qVic_8TRoCkNvw_wcB

in this: http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/83...cQev2gUDwDFglCPKBSaPPTVW71lI1kWLJ5hoCyZHw_wcB

For several years. It's handy because I just swap for my real 1911 (now a completed 80%, instead of my Taurus PT1911AR. She may be a Frankengun, but she's all mine and 100% reliable) when I cross the FL/GA line.

I do my best to spend any money north of the border... Having some NFA engraving done, you guessed it, in GA... Groceries, electronics, shop supplies and tools, diesel... I take my business up to GA whenever I can, which is quite a lot.

I did not buy the above items from the above sources, nor am I in any way affliated. Just a link to the items.
 
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My latest article on various means to protest within the law for not having your rights restored this year:

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/02/florida-getting-riled-up-over-open-carry
This article claims that it is legal in Floriduh to OC a pre-1899 revolver.

If this is true, I'm buying one. And open carrying it immediately. Only $200. Citations please. I can't find the right combination of statutes that show that this is valid... Yes, I know. There won't be a law that says it's legal... But from what I read, Florida doesn't have the pre-1899 thing like Texas did...

Would Post Offices?

Wouldn't it be a shame for the RINOs and Democrats to actually be the CAUSE of real "Wild West" guns being carried around openly? And still no blood in the streets as they always claim.

Caps/Primers are hot enough that Sulfur isn't needed in the Black Powder mix. Sulfur is used to lower the combustion temperature for flintlocks and the such. Plain old Carcoal and Potassium Nitrate, mixed at a roughly 25% Charcoal, 75% Potassium Nitrate rate will do fine with Caps and Primers, and not have the nasty side effects of burning Sulfur. The exact optimum ratio will depend on your charcoal. If making it, avoid oily/sappy wood regardless of the tree species. Yes, pine, the oiliest, sappiest wood, if left out in the weather for years to wash out the oily, sappiness, which manages not to attract rot, works perfectly. I've done it. Thorough mixing needed. Lead balls in a ball mill, nowhere near anything flammable, would be the best way... Wet mixes stirred for a really long time with an electric cake mixer, are also good, but hard to dry out in FL...

All Gun Owners should take note of Portilla's attitude. He believes that we're all psychos that will go nuts and shoot people if he dares to let us out of the closet. This is not the attitude of a gun-rights supporter. Regardless of whether you believe in Open Carry or not, this should set off a red flag about the guy. May as well vote for his opposition, even if that opposition is a Democrat, because it's better to deal with the devil we know, than a sneaky, back-stabbing liar who slanders his own constituents in this manner.

If this is possible, the first people to do this need to do it in a large group to avoid the "murder him and all witnesses and lie in the report" which is SOP among Florida Cops...

We need a Black Powder Motorcycle Club... I will totally be there.

Gun Hate if a ruse. It's really Gun-Owner hate. It's no different from racism or Ethnic Cleansing. Democrats think it's clever to hide their hate behind the proxy of an object and pretending to care about "the children," but it's not. Of course gun-violence, and violence in general, doesn't drop very much in places where there are a lot of guns. The number is already zero, or very close to it. You can't get much lower than zero! Read any anti-gun posts on Facebook and the thin veil falls pretty quickly. Most anti-gunners are perfectly OK with the idea of murdering everyone who owns an "X." Gun-Owners being their first targets so as to make it easier to keep going on down the list. Gun-Owners. Then Christians. Then people who work for money and deserve it... It's the new Martin Niemöller quote. How long before they turn on their own? When they kill off the people they blame for their own failures, they have to find another group to blame, and another and another, they never admit they're wrong. They already seem to be in love with Sahria Law, and that calls for the brutal murder of one of their prime demographic members; homosexuals. Read The Hangman in my signature. Those very psychos are exactly why we must always own guns. If they cared about the children, they wouldn't support abortion and millions of unloved welfare babies. Not to mention, be willing to defend their own children instead of offer them up as a sacrifice granting more power to the Free Stuff Gods that they worship with votes. Voting is the new Prayer to these people. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a far more reasonable notion than the idea that voting really hard, and often, will turn a politician into a good person. While many may say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is absurd, it is, in fact, unprovable either way. The idea that a Politician would be a good person is already proven absolute folly. Furthermore, there aren't a lot of people who can tell you how terrible Socialized Healthcare is. Because they had to use it and experience it for themselves, and they're now dead. The number of proponents for Socialized Medicine, who have actually used it, can be counted on one hand. Now, imagine people who want to own guns, be subjected to mental health checks. How many of them will go into the Government Hospital meat grinder and live? How many Medical Malpractice deaths are there alread? The rate is already, at least, 7 orders of magnitude higher than so-called "gun-deaths." Who would notice hospitals being used to commit mass genocide of a specific group that the current faction in power hates, when it's pretty much already happening... Hospitals already have incinerators for boihazard that are much larger than necessary... Maybe most of those Genocidal Facebook Democrat voters aren't that evil, but the people they keep voting for very definitely are.

^ The paragraph that debunks everything about the Liberal Agenda.
 
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This article claims that it is legal in Floriduh to OC a pre-1899 revolver.

If this is true, I'm buying one. And open carrying it immediately. Only $200. Citations please. I can't find the right combination of statutes that show that this is valid... Yes, I know. There won't be a law that says it's legal... But from what I read, Florida doesn't have the pre-1899 thing like Texas did...
Bravo! If I lived in Florida, that's exactly what I would do.

None of this "Donate lots of money so we can get this passed!" stuff for me.
 

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Find out exactly who voted against this and prosecute them all. They all took an oath of office which they violated by voting against something that was actually already law. In fact how about convicting them of treason as they betrayed the people and their country.
 

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Uh, before you all run out and start strapping on Single Action Dragoons from 1899, why not just work with what we have now and actually carry a sidearm that you can use!

What a concept.

Yes, just continue to wear your 1911 or your Glock to the range or your favorite public fishing hole.

It's much easier, simpler, safer and you'll even have a real sidearm instead of a museum piece.

5 years of openly carrying for me now and it's not a big deal. Make sure your ducks are in a row and have at it.

Just do it, not talk about it.

No need to look for a confrontation with anyone. Just open carry legally and go about your business.

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