Edmonds police shoot individual carrying rifle

[Difdi]

Now when a cop tells you to touch your weapon..DO NOT DO IT...he'll shoot you and say you had the gun in your hand(s). (Not a lie, right?). Just put your hands in the air away from the gun and wait. If you want to play it this way.

And if you don't touch the weapon, then you've refused to comply and might get shot anyway. :banghead:

 

[iMack]

I agree with waiting for all the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions; however, I do find it a bit suspect that the Police are not revealing an actual reason why he was shot. As far as the reports are saying he was shot after a verbal confrontation. I was not aware that a verbal confrontation was a lawful reason the Police can use deadly force on someone...

A verbal confrontation could simply be him saying that he doesn't consent to any searches or seizures.

This is a little too close to home for me. If he was pointing his weapon at people, I would assume (and perhaps I shouldn't assume) that the Police would be happy to release that information. I suppose we will see when all the facts come out about the situation.

Is anyone aware of what the Man's name is and if he is still in serious condition?

 

[markm]

"Officer Safety" is good cause for shooting.

Hello All,

Do any of you remember the Chris Dorner incident from LA? It was last February, 2013.

Two ladies were shot-up while delivering newspapers and a surfer was shot-up after the surfer left a police checkpoint. Officer Safety was used as an excuse. Attempted murder charges have not been brought against the LEOs involved. Misdemeanor charges for illegal discharge in a prohibited area have not been brought against the LEOs involved.

One more thing...Chris Dorner was dangerous; however, not one LEO bullet hit him, grazed him, or killed him. Dorner had to kill himself. When a real threat exists LEO is inefective. Law abiding citizens are much easier targets for LEO.

We will probably find out that the man with the rifle in Everett was looking for suicide by cop. If that is the case, it is a bad deal for everybody involved.

If it was not a legitimate shoot, the police officers will be shielded by "officer safety" and "protecting the public." They will finish their careers and retire somewhat wealthy.

markm

 

[509rifas]

Hello All,

Do any of you remember the Chris Dorner incident from LA? It was last February, 2013.

Two ladies were shot-up while delivering newspapers and a surfer was shot-up after the surfer left a police checkpoint. Officer Safety was used as an excuse. Attempted murder charges have not been brought against the LEOs involved. Misdemeanor charges for illegal discharge in a prohibited area have not been brought against the LEOs involved.

One more thing...Chris Dorner was dangerous; however, not one LEO bullet hit him, grazed him, or killed him. Dorner had to kill himself. When a real threat exists LEO is inefective. Law abiding citizens are much easier targets for LEO.

We will probably find out that the man with the rifle in Everett was looking for suicide by cop. If that is the case, it is a bad deal for everybody involved.

If it was not a legitimate shoot, the police officers will be shielded by "officer safety" and "protecting the public." They will finish their careers and retire somewhat wealthy.

markm

Or recall when much of Massachusetts was turned into a house-to-house searching occupied territory, it was a citizen that found the guy.

 

[markm]

Or recall when much of Massachusetts was turned into a house-to-house searching occupied territory, it was a citizen that found the guy.

Hello 509rifas:

Sorry, my sinility is now apparent even to me. How could I forgot Seal Team 6 wannabes parading around Massachusets with their fully automatic weapons and wearing commando garb. How could I forgot the day the 4th Amendment was publicly, and without apology, repealed.

The NSA and CIA operatives who were warned by Russia that the Sarnayev Brothers had been radicalized are still on the job.

The military personell who knew about the Fort Hood Shooter being a radical islamo-fascist are still on the job.

markm

 

[jsanchez]

I don't know what happened here, but what if the victim/suspect in this story was just doing what this guy is doing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg

 

[Difdi]

let's think, police (two officers who apparently are upper ranking and each have 15 years of experience) encounter an armed man and order him to put down a rifle.

would an experienced officer order a man to put his hand on the weapon? unlikely... so we can reason the rifle wasn't slung on his back since ordering someone to unsling a rifle would involve the man being ordered so to put the rifle in hand. if they intended to disarm a man with a slung rifle they would've proned him and taken off his rifle after getting adaquate backup.

The officers most likely to abuse people's rights and blatantly break the law at Occupy New York protests are the guys in white shirts. Supervisors so far above the beat cops that they have a separate union. Having high rank means they have high rank, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Still nothing more that I could find ... leaning toward an improper shooting

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Still nothing more that I could find ... leaning toward an improper shooting

Not enough info, everyone knows how critical I am of unconstitutional proactive policing, yet I can't even lean toward improper yet until we learn more.

Maybe it was an attempted suicide by cop, if so usually works way better than this........

 

[davidmcbeth]

Not enough info, everyone knows how critical I am of unconstitutional proactive policing, yet I can't even lean toward improper yet until we learn more.

Maybe it was an attempted suicide by cop, if so usually works way better than this........

I figure if it was justified the cops would be all over the news .... exclaiming their virtues ...

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I figure if it was justified the cops would be all over the news .... exclaiming their virtues ...

Yea that does make sense. I'll just wait and withhold judgment until I get more info.

 

[waterfowl woody]

I have been trying to follow this story. The problem I am having is that no one is talking about it? The person was shot right?
So why is there no reporting of his or her condition and no follow up on the story anywhere? Sounds weird to me.
Government is so quick to show "civilian" mistakes and they aren't? Does that mean that this is a officer mistake?

sorry for so many questions but that is what I am left with. An knowledge of what happened would be appreciated.

 

[BigDeeeeeeee]

http://media.komonews.com/images/130910_ois_big.jpg

Was the man on fire in the top of a tree? WTFs with the ladder truck?

http://media.komonews.com/images/130907_edmonds1.jpg

If this is the mans rifle it looks like it may be a .22 which would lead me to think that he didn't fire first. Witness described "I heard this one really loud shot. It was obviously a large caliber rifle or a shotgun". Maybe a police shotgun was the first shot or the rifle on the ground is indeed a center fire caliber and the man shot first, don't know. You would think that if the man fired first that the police would be making that aspect front page news.

The other thing that stands out is that there doesn't appear to be a sling on that rifle. Joe or Jane public is probably going to describe a rifle carried by hand as being waved around more often than not. I wouldn't do it but ymmv.

 

[Citizen]

http://media.komonews.com/images/130910_ois_big.jpg

Was the man on fire in the top of a tree? WTFs with the ladder truck?

http://media.komonews.com/images/130907_edmonds1.jpg

If this is the mans rifle it looks like it may be a .22 which would lead me to think that he didn't fire first. Witness described "I heard this one really loud shot. It was obviously a large caliber rifle or a shotgun". Maybe a police shotgun was the first shot or the rifle on the ground is indeed a center fire caliber and the man shot first, don't know. You would think that if the man fired first that the police would be making that aspect front page news.

The other thing that stands out is that there doesn't appear to be a sling on that rifle. Joe or Jane public is probably going to describe a rifle carried by hand as being waved around more often than not. I wouldn't do it but ymmv.

It does look reminiscent of a 10/22. Looks like its got a tubular magazine, and the muzzle-crown looks right. Plus, its got that little stub of a bolt stud sticking up.

I hunted up some google photos, but couldn't make out which version of 10/22 it might be. So, I'm not 100% sure its a 10/22. The tubular mag photos all showed a sling stud under the forearm, which the above photo lacks. And, that forearm looks in pristine condition which makes me think its a relatively young rifle.

So, I'm a little uncertain which model by which maker. But, it certainly seems a .22.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It does look reminiscent of a 10/22. Looks like its got a tubular magazine, and the muzzle-crown looks right. Plus, its got that little stub of a bolt stud sticking up.

I hunted up some google photos, but couldn't make out which version of 10/22 it might be. So, I'm not 100% sure its a 10/22. The tubular mag photos all showed a sling stud under the forearm, which the above photo lacks. And, that forearm looks in pristine condition which makes me think its a relatively young rifle.

So, I'm a little uncertain which model by which maker. But, it certainly seems a .22.

looks to me like the underside of a mini-14.....

 

[JustaShooter]

It does look reminiscent of a 10/22. Looks like its got a tubular magazine, and the muzzle-crown looks right. Plus, its got that little stub of a bolt stud sticking up.

I hunted up some google photos, but couldn't make out which version of 10/22 it might be. So, I'm not 100% sure its a 10/22. The tubular mag photos all showed a sling stud under the forearm, which the above photo lacks. And, that forearm looks in pristine condition which makes me think its a relatively young rifle.

So, I'm a little uncertain which model by which maker. But, it certainly seems a .22.

Agreed, it really looks like a .22. If it has a tubular magazine, it isn't a 10/22. Also, the two-part stock makes it something other than a 10/22. Could be a Winchester, they made at least one tube-fed semi-auto .22 with a two-piece stock (model 190) which looks *very* much like that one in the picture. The only others that come to mind had a much more rounded forend, like the Remington Speedmaster 552, or a barrel band, like the Colt Colteer Rifle.

 

[BigDeeeeeeee]

looks to me like the underside of a mini-14.....

It's missing the metal cap on the forestock for a mini 14. The mini also has a full stock not front and rear wood with metal receiver.

 

[tombrewster421]

It's missing the metal cap on the forestock for a mini 14. The mini also has a full stock not front and rear wood with metal receiver.

Aaaaand a mini 14 is magazine fed.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Aaaaand a mini 14 is magazine fed.

Hey you won one!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Aaaaand a mini 14 is magazine fed.

hey, well my computer screen is not that big, i couldn't see it in that level of detail...