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Disturbing story

Harper1227

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fully_armed_biker wrote:
Sorry; but, anybody that would claim that because she was drinking, somehow that makes it even partly her fault is completely clueless...That's like saying because some woman "dressed like a slut,"somehow she deserved to get raped. For all anybody knows, this was the first time she had ever had anything to drink...and had no idea whatsoever to expect, as far as what the alcohol would do to her...and nobody knows what kind of pressure was being put on her to drink by her "friends." And so you know...this is coming from a father of a 14 year old girl (at the time) who had a "friend" pressure her into trying pot for the first time...then said "friend" stood by and watched her get gang raped! And because I have guns...the 14 year old daughter was afraid to come to me and tell me and her mother about it because she was afraid I'd go find and kill them and I'd end up in prison...so she hid her rape from her mother and I for about 6 months...to protect me! So, when you have lived through this...I'll take your opinion seriously...until then...STFU!

My problem with the story is that it said the father was looking for her during the attack...apparently not very hard...


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my god! so sorry for your family. that must have been very painful. I can't imagine how a story like this would make you feel. It makes me sick to my stomach without having had a daughter go through it.
 

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i said i wouldnt comment any more but when you are so blatently contradicting yourself, you make it hard to resist


Mike_Hawke wrote:
My point exactly. EVERYONE is at fault. They were all acting like a bunch of drunk idiots and just because she was the one that happened to get raped doesn't vindicate her of all wrong doing.



It's the school's fault for not properly supervising.

It's the passersby's fault for not doing anything.

It's the rapists' fault for initiating it.

and last, but certainly not least...

It's her fault for willingly making herself an easy target.



No one, her included, is without blame.
Interceptor_Knight wrote:
If you are inferring that she shares any moral or legal blame for what happened to her, then I am 180 degrees from that.

Mike_Hawke wrote:

That is NOT what I'm saying.
again, just for clarity...

Mike_Hawke wrote:
It's her fault for willingly making herself an easy target.



No one, her included, is without blame.

 

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Her only blame was drinking and putting herself in a position where she could not fight back, yet that does not give the savages the right ti rape here repeatedly. If i was her father there would be bodies piled up by the end of the night.
 

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fully_armed_biker wrote:
Sorry; but, anybody that would claim that because she was drinking, somehow that makes it even partly her fault is completely clueless...That's like saying because some woman "dressed like a slut,"somehow she deserved to get raped. For all anybody knows, this was the first time she had ever had anything to drink...and had no idea whatsoever to expect, as far as what the alcohol would do to her...and nobody knows what kind of pressure was being put on her to drink by her "friends." And so you know...this is coming from a father of a 14 year old girl (at the time) who had a "friend" pressure her into trying pot for the first time...then said "friend" stood by and watched her get gang raped! And because I have guns...the 14 year old daughter was afraid to come to me and tell me and her mother about it because she was afraid I'd go find and kill them and I'd end up in prison...so she hid her rape from her mother and I for about 6 months...to protect me! So, when you have lived through this...I'll take your opinion seriously...until then...STFU!

My problem with the story is that it said the father was looking for her during the attack...apparently not very hard...


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damn dude thats really f***ed up! sorry to hear about that, i can only imagine the pain your whole family suffered from such a traumatic event.

its hard to be a teenage girl though, i remember when i first started getting into "the scene" and i would see all these 12-13 year old girls doing worse stuff than me and i couldnt help to think of whats going to happen down the road. kids will be kids you cant stop that. some get lucky and get out unharmed, others not so lucky.

hopefully this girl (and your daughter, biker) can overcome what happened to her, i know alot young rape victims tend to commit suicide after the ordeal (which i defiantly couldnt blame them for)
 

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since this story is being cross posted in more than one forum I will ask again, what does this have to do with open carry? Is it bad. Yes. Is it an outrage? Yes. does it have anything to do with guns or open carry? No.
 

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riverrat10k wrote:
Harper1227, the Big Guy. LOL



God bless you and yours Harper. You are spot on.

thank you Riverra, same to you.

im actually thinking of adopting the nickname :lol:
 

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r6-rider wrote:
fully_armed_biker wrote:
Sorry; but, anybody that would claim that because she was drinking, somehow that makes it even partly her fault is completely clueless...That's like saying because some woman "dressed like a slut,"somehow she deserved to get raped. For all anybody knows, this was the first time she had ever had anything to drink...and had no idea whatsoever to expect, as far as what the alcohol would do to her...and nobody knows what kind of pressure was being put on her to drink by her "friends." And so you know...this is coming from a father of a 14 year old girl (at the time) who had a "friend" pressure her into trying pot for the first time...then said "friend" stood by and watched her get gang raped! And because I have guns...the 14 year old daughter was afraid to come to me and tell me and her mother about it because she was afraid I'd go find and kill them and I'd end up in prison...so she hid her rape from her mother and I for about 6 months...to protect me! So, when you have lived through this...I'll take your opinion seriously...until then...STFU!

My problem with the story is that it said the father was looking for her during the attack...apparently not very hard...


*edited for spelling*
damn dude thats really f***ed up! sorry to hear about that, i can only imagine the pain your whole family suffered from such a traumatic event.

its hard to be a teenage girl though, i remember when i first started getting into "the scene" and i would see all these 12-13 year old girls doing worse stuff than me and i couldnt help to think of whats going to happen down the road. kids will be kids you cant stop that. some get lucky and get out unharmed, others not so lucky.

hopefully this girl (and your daughter, biker) can overcome what happened to her, i know alot young rape victims tend to commit suicide after the ordeal (which i defiantly couldnt blame them for)

r6-rider...

Last May my now 15 year old daughter attempted suicide. Luckily, a true friend noticed she was having a bad day at school, called her after school to check on her...realized something wasn't right and came to the house to check on her. My daughter pushed her out,slammed the door shut,and locked it after her friend saw a pill bottle with pills (valium) all over the coffe table and an open bottle of vodka, and asked what that was all about.The friendwent to our neighbor's house....luckily she went to our neighbor that is an RN and has a key to our house because we take turns dog sitting for each other and just happened to be home because she was pregnant and due any day. The neighbor came over, called my wife, my wife called me andwe drove like hell to get home while our neighbor stayed with our daughter. This happened the Monday after mother's day because our daughter didn't want to ruin Mother's day for her mother.
 

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6L6GC wrote:
since this story is being cross posted in more than one forum I will ask again, what does this have to do with open carry? Is it bad. Yes. Is it an outrage? Yes. does it have anything to do with guns or open carry? No.

it often happens where people post crimes where no OC or guns were involved at all. It is a chance for us to hypothesise and debate the merits of self defense and individual responsibility. As well as, discuss our personal views on the possibility of action or outcomeIF one were open carrying and point out the degradation of society and defend our beliefs that people need to be prepared to defend themselves, and at times, others.

I hope this explains how this post is relevant. if not, i am sorry if you don't see its merits. But, it is not for you to decide how OT something can be. The moderators can, and will, remove or lock posts they find in violation ofthe boards purpose or rules.
 

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Harper1227 wrote:
6L6GC wrote:
since this story is being cross posted in more than one forum I will ask again, what does this have to do with open carry? Is it bad. Yes. Is it an outrage? Yes. does it have anything to do with guns or open carry? No.

it often happens were people post crimes where no OC or guns were involved at all. It is a chance for us to hypothesis and debate the merits of self defense and individual responsibility. As well as, discuss our personal veiws on the possibility of action or outcomeIF one were open carrying and point out the degredation of society and defend our beliefs that people need to be prepared to defend themselves, and at times, others.

I hope this explains how this post is relavent. if not, i am sorry if you don't see its merits. But, it is not for you to decide how OT something can be. The moderators can, and will, remove or lock posts they find in violation ofthe boards purpose or rules.
I would add to that; the the primary (if not sole) reason I own guns in the first place is the protection of myself and my family...so along the lines of the thread..."When a gun is useless," I wanted to conveymy feeling of being helpless, while simultaneously being armed to the teeth...in not being able to protect my family.
 

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I commented on this same story over on Defensive Carry.

I dont care to quote the statutes again, but I will say plainly: In Oregon, deadly physical force is justified in the prevention of or intervention in a felony by force.

These acts classify as 1st degree rape and are felonies. The fact that it was a gang-rape implies a great amount of force used.

These perps are not human. I will not call them animals. Even animals don't commit such atrocities. They are evil.

I will say clearly. I would have used deadly physical force to stop it.

Mark my words...
 

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Harper1227 wrote:
i said i wouldnt comment any more but when you are so blatently contradicting yourself, you make it hard to resist


Mike_Hawke wrote:
My point exactly. EVERYONE is at fault. They were all acting like a bunch of drunk idiots and just because she was the one that happened to get raped doesn't vindicate her of all wrong doing.



It's the school's fault for not properly supervising.

It's the passersby's fault for not doing anything.

It's the rapists' fault for initiating it.

and last, but certainly not least...

It's her fault for willingly making herself an easy target.



No one, her included, is without blame.
Interceptor_Knight wrote:
If you are inferring that she shares any moral or legal blame for what happened to her, then I am 180 degrees from that.

Mike_Hawke wrote:

That is NOT what I'm saying.
again, just for clarity...

Mike_Hawke wrote:
It's her fault for willingly making herself an easy target.



No one, her included, is without blame.



What's your point?
 

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Mike_Hawke wrote:
Harper1227 wrote:
i said i wouldnt comment any more but when you areso blatently contradicting yourself, you make it hard to resist


Mike_Hawke wrote:
Interceptor_Knight wrote:
If you are inferring that she shares any moral or legal blame for what happened to her, then I am 180 degrees from that.

Mike_Hawke wrote:

That is NOT what I'm saying.
again, just for clarity...

Mike_Hawke wrote:
It's her fault for willingly making herself an easy target.



No one, her included, is without blame.



What's your point?
see above.
 

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RJHORSE66 wrote:
harper are you ready to take back your welcome yet ? (i say we black ball him):cuss:

im just pretty much done. i mean the last post? any normal person could see what my point was. so, i just have to assume is is bustin my chops at this point.

but, i will never say any are unwelcome here. we're like a family. disfunctional as we may be, you still invite the drunk uncle, who says ridiculous things, to Thanksgiving dinner -because you never know when you, or he, may need a kidney.

i have to take my own advice and ignore the nonsense.

come on RJ, lets dance :celebrate:celebrate

 

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We are talking here about an incident involving - mostly - KIDS. Yet I am reading comments casting blame on the perps and the victim and not a word about the parents of either and/or the culture of degeneracy that fostered this horror.

I am planning on doing a reading of C.S. Lewis's "The Screwtape Letters" on YouTube. If you all have not read that work, I would reccommend it to your collective attention. In that work, Screwtape reveals the Hellish society as that "where a strong self preys upon a weaker" And is this not exactly what happens when a rapist takes his victim, when a robber demands money or blood; when a con man swindles a widow ?

What does open carry mean other than to show the predator that we are not prey? Yet even this does no good if everyone is a predator. In that case, there has not been a magazine developed with enough capacity........

Those who envision a world without weapons have weighed in on this matter, and mostly say that this constitutes a cultural assault on females blah-de-blah. In fact what it constitutes is a felony called rape, perpetrated by kids whose parents could evidently not be bothered to teach their offspring better.

There need be no debate about this matter. It should be handled by the numbers in the Criminal Justice System and the perps be held as an example to those who would do likewise. But the same dimwits who use "the children" as part of their antigun agenda will of course be right up front urging mercy on these rapists because they are - oh, gag me - children who need to be protected.

Funny, isn't it, how we have eradicated smallpox and almost done the same with poilio; how no chilod today need fear measels or chickenpox; and yet these selfsame kids, saved from the ravages of childhood diseases, become a plague unto themselves and to us. Funny how so many parents think their kids are potted plants to be watered, fed, and exhibited for show. The afore mentioned C.S. Lewis said it succinctly: You do not have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body. Raising kids as if they were only bodies results in what we have beheld in this event, and so much more.

That however is only my personal opinion, and i could be wrong. but I'm not.
 
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