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Detective Gordon Martines is running for Sheriff of Clark County.

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After being "active" helping with campaigns, voting, working with Orgs. etc. I have realized by peeling away the layers to find out why all my efforts resulted in much more of the same. (like turning cards face up, they all come from the same deck, when we vote... we are just looking for new faces)Here is a summery of the realizations I have endured.

Foundation of Govt.
If you, or us, as a group can give someone or an entity our consent to be governed, at what age does that consent occur?
If you truly consent, then how can it be governance? Why the need for police and lawmakers if we consent?
What happens when you choose not to consent? The Civil war tells us that governed by consent is a lie, as it cannot be consent if you cannot opt out.

Authority of Govt.
Authority is granted when the facts and circumstances allow, Breaking and entering is morally wrong, however if during a house fire you respond to the cries from inside.... breaking and entering is completely valid. When transferring this to Sheriff elections.... It does not matter the outfit that the "authorized" person is wearing, or if they are voted in. What matters is they have situational authority, the same as anyone would have who witnesses for instance, a purse snatching.

Conversely when voting for sheriff, we are voting for someone to do things, which we cannot. (Where do they derive their power from again?)
Some would say that the majority wants that sheriff, so that is how it works. (they consented for you.) That is psychotic thinking at best. Can a handful (majority) of losing poker players vote your consent to steal your money? Did the majority vote, somehow make Hitlers actions moral?

The idea that we need this "protection" is how Cliven Bundy was taught, it did not work for him, and Gordon Martinez, or any other Sheriff will not protect you, or your rights. They do not have the power, all they can do is disseminate massive amounts of violence throughout the valley, and call it justice! A vote for sheriff is a vote for violence.

So your solution is.....?

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One does not need to know the solution to be justified in not being a part of the problem.
 

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Agreed.

Was just curious if he had recommendations with such damning insights.

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Thanks, I do have some methods I believe are effective,

  • Notice where your money truly goes, under the pretense of keeping you safe from those who would steal.
  • Notice who lies to you, while under the pretense of "serving you."
  • Ask yourself, how would I have reacted to the same situation, had the person not been wearing the "badge" of Govt.
  • Recognize the violence of govt. and separate yourself from it.

You may ask, how noticing things, and recognizing things, change anything?

Then realize that the list above is actual change, when the solution given you by those you distrust is to put yourself through the "cult like ritual" of pushing a button they provide, in a situation they provide you. (with the money taken from you.) Giving another human power, armed mercenaries, and control over you, yet you expect that because you pushed the magic button for him.... He will somehow serve you? Think critically, and tell me what makes sense.

We have conditioned ourselves to be the "battered wife" who recognizes the situation. Yet we do not believe the answer lies within us... It does!
 

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You should write campaign slogans. lol

In all seriousness, while I also agree that voting is useless, I keep doing it because I love to open carry into the polls and just maybe make people think about that. And, maybe, just maybe once in my life I may get someone I voted for that doesn't end up disappointing me - doubtful.
 

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You should write campaign slogans. lol

In all seriousness, while I also agree that voting is useless, I keep doing it because I love to open carry into the polls and just maybe make people think about that. And, maybe, just maybe once in my life I may get someone I voted for that doesn't end up disappointing me - doubtful.

Thanks, every time I voted, I have open carried. that is a valid point you raise. I thought very hard about my friend Jim who is running for DA before I decided not to vote.He was shot in the back 3 times by METRO over a traffic top and really deserves support, but the reality is this, the elections are bought and paid for, I learned that when I helped Travis with his campaign... It is a fact!
 

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...reality is this, the elections are bought and paid for, I learned that when I helped Travis with his campaign... It is a fact!

America is bought and paid for....and we are nothing more than pawns in rich men's games. But I try not to think about it. Especially when I see a young man (solder) physically mutilated from those "how do I get richer" games. :(

Nothing really matters but your own personal happiness.....and that may be the illusion of voting for a representative..... or giving your life for one....... or believing there's any such thing as "a representative".
 

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Nothing really matters but your own personal happiness.....and that may be the illusion of voting for a representative..... or giving your life for one....... or believing there's any such thing as "a representative".

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The link you posted is about "what if they prohibit firearms where you have to vote"... I don't know. For me, UNLESS it were actually illegal to carry to your polling place (like a school) I would still carry and let them tell me to leave. I'd even risk the trespassing violation if I thought I could get in and out before the cops arrived. But it's gotta be your own call. I vote at one of those trailers in a Home Depot parking lot so no gun laws broken.

Btw, not saying this is you, but I have seen others who believe that it is actually illegal to carry into a church as if it were a federal killing (gun-free) zone like an airport or school. Not as far as I know it isn't.
 

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... For me, UNLESS it were actually illegal to carry to your polling place (like a school) I would still carry and let them tell me to leave. I'd even risk the trespassing violation if I thought I could get in and out before the cops arrived. ...

... I have seen others who believe that it is actually illegal to carry into a church as if it were a federal killing (gun-free) zone like an airport or school. Not as far as I know it isn't.

Only the TSA "secured" area of the airport is a federal "gun-free" zone. Otherwise, airports and schools are subject to state laws not federal. Many states, including Nevada and Utah, allow some form of carry in the other areas of the airports, and some states, including Utah and Kansas, allow forms of carry in schools.

As for churches, only some states forbid it. Nevada does not. Utah has rules of notification if a church chooses to ban it with state enforcement.

If private property CHOOSES to become a polling place, I do not see how they can trespass a lawful voter. That would be a very big deal.
 
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Only the TSA "secured" area of the airport is a federal "gun-free" zone. Otherwise, airports and schools are subject to state laws not federal. Many states, including Nevada and Utah, allow some form of carry in the other areas of the airports, and some states, including Utah and Kansas, allow forms of carry in schools.

As for churches, only some states forbid it. Nevada does not. Utah has rules of notification if a church chooses to ban it with state enforcement.

If private property CHOOSES to become a polling place, I do not see how they can trespass a lawful voter. That would be a very big deal.

I fully agree with that last paragraph.

So Mac, the school gun-free zone IS NOT Federal? I understand the Federal 1000 feet thing is silly and pretty much unenforceable, but I thought that the Federal gun-free school zone still applied to the school property grounds. No? "18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25): The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or..."


I knew about the "sanitary" area of airports under Federal and all other airport areas under state (I just didn't specify earlier), but was unaware about the school thing being purely state. Hmmm....?
 
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I fully agree with that last paragraph.

So Mac, the school gun-free zone IS NOT Federal? I understand the Federal 1000 feet thing is silly and pretty much unenforceable, but I thought that the Federal gun-free school zone still applied to the school property grounds. No? "18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25): The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or..."


I knew about the "sanitary" area of airports under Federal and all other airport areas under state (I just didn't specify earlier), but was unaware about the school thing being purely state. Hmmm....?

Ah, the FGFSZA. I was thinking it meant something else. Completely unenforced, and has (in its first incarnation) already been ruled by SCOTUS as unconstitutional. The only states where it is an issue have similar state laws in order to give it teeth. You will never, ever, have to fear this law in a free state. But you are correct in that it is on the books, again, waiting for SCOTUS to have a reason to review it again.

Also, remember that if you have a license, you are exempt anyway. But even if OC'ing without a license, you will not even hear of this law except on the Internet or a classroom discussing the minutia of gun laws.

I apologize for not catching it the first time.
 

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Ah, the FGFSZA. I was thinking it meant something else. Completely unenforced, and has (in its first incarnation) already been ruled by SCOTUS as unconstitutional. The only states where it is an issue have similar state laws in order to give it teeth. You will never, ever, have to fear this law in a free state. But you are correct in that it is on the books, again, waiting for SCOTUS to have a reason to review it again.

Also, remember that if you have a license, you are exempt anyway. But even if OC'ing without a license, you will not even hear of this law except on the Internet or a classroom discussing the minutia of gun laws.

I apologize for not catching it the first time.

Okay, I think I get it. AS FAR AS NV....
The Fed FGFSZA says you can't carry at school unless you have a ccw or permission.
The State NRS 202.265 says you can't carry at all unless you have written permission.

So that's why you said originally that STATE and not Fed's regulate school gun-free zones, because NV already says NO to guns at schools. ? Wow, all so convoluted. lol

So to be clear: Don't carry at schools without permission,
But if YOU DO, and you have a ccw, then you are breaking state law and NOT Federal.
Carry without a ccw and you also break FGFSZA laws, but you say they don't enforce that.
Sound correct?
 

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On this note about laws I wanted to add briefly that a society that has so many laws makes it impossible for its citizens to NOT break laws at any given moment. Thus making them NEVER free. I tried explaining that years ago to someone how they are never free as they could be (and are) easily fined, imprisoned or otherwise punished for the multitude of "laws" they break daily.
But they failed to agree simply saying, "If you don't think we're free try living elsewhere".
That's the equivalent of saying "well if you think this is rape try the next cell block". Huh? :uhoh:
 

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Okay, I think I get it. AS FAR AS NV....
The Fed FGFSZA says you can't carry at school unless you have a ccw or permission.
The State NRS 202.265 says you can't carry at all unless you have written permission.

So that's why you said originally that STATE and not Fed's regulate school gun-free zones, because NV already says NO to guns at schools. ? Wow, all so convoluted. lol

So to be clear: Don't carry at schools without permission,
But if YOU DO, and you have a ccw, then you are breaking state law and NOT Federal.
Carry without a ccw and you also break FGFSZA laws, but you say they don't enforce that.
Sound correct?

Pretty darn close.

The federal exemption requires a license by the state in order to possess in the school or the "zone." "Permission" doesn't count.
The state requires written permission to possess on school grounds (and doesn't care about school "zones"), with or without a CCW.
 

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Pretty darn close.

The federal exemption requires a license by the state in order to possess in the school or the "zone." "Permission" doesn't count.
The state requires written permission to possess on school grounds (and doesn't care about school "zones"), with or without a CCW.

Reason I said "or permission" by the Feds is because of the subsections that give exemption for:
"(iv)an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone" and
"(v)by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school
zone and the individual or an employer of the individual"
- http://www.doe.k12.de.us/infosuites/students_family/climate/files/climate_gunfreeschoolzonesact.pdf

I know that now I'm teetering on going beyond the "average joe" and getting close to cops, security guards and such, but just wanted to make sure that I'm reading it right that there are a few other exemptions in addition to state licensing that the Feds allow someone who say may be going there to do electrical or HVAC work at night.... ;-)

BTW, just got back from voting for Martines. Yay! No line and no probs with my oc.
 

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Voted today also. One of the poll workers asked what I was carrying. Commented in what I took as a positive way that OC was legal in NV. Heard another worker say that he was sure it was not legal to carry while voting but he sure wasn't going to tell me.

It's amazing what you can hear people say when they think you're not paying attention.

TBG
 

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Voted today also. One of the poll workers asked what I was carrying. Commented in what I took as a positive way that OC was legal in NV. Heard another worker say that he was sure it was not legal to carry while voting but he sure wasn't going to tell me.

It's amazing what you can hear people say when they think you're not paying attention.

TBG

I voted while OC at my local Vons with no problem. No lines, no comment from workers, all smiles. I actually took the time in the car to holster up OC, as I had just come directly from work. I don't know what other time would be more appropriate than voting for Open Carrying with purpose!
 
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