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Deputy accidentally shot while changing in jail locker room

sidestreet

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Hey folks, look over on the Michigan site...,

another "Instructor" shot himself in the leg. Gee, wonder what make and caliber it was (as if you and I don't already know), man, this is easier than shootin' fish in a barrel, or a LEO, Instructor, or LEO Instructor shooting themselves with a Glock.

Be sure and check out the "related stories" in blue too so you can get to the really funny stuff like "it was just a graze wound, he probably just put a band aid on it", Police later found out that it was a "Through and through wound."

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Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13

we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.
 
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Whoooops!!! Sorry folks that was in the Wisconsin site, not Michigan...,

or I guess we could just wait a little while and it would be right again!!!! :)

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Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13

we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.
 

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I've got a few I could tell too, but I'm not gonna tell 'em here either.

Unless something else has happened at my range in the last few weeks, I believe that the last two self inflicted gunshot incidents we've had there were LEO's, one was an "Instructor", and at least one of them was a Glock.

You know how I feel about Glocks, right? Just saying'.

sidestreet

Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13

we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.

Not the ACPD guy up at RRPC last month?
 

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I don't think it is so much blaming the Glock, Jim, as it reporting similar incidents for most people.

My post re no separate safety was the closest to that. Just as I chose to utilize holsters with a level of active retention (additional action to draw) so too do I prefer manual safeties requiring an additional action before firing. If I crossed a line for anyone with that, I apologize - it was not so intended. I was interjecting a thought that would have been best left unsaid.

Do not wish to reopen the Glock yes, Glock no debate in this thread - that would be better served another time and place.

Bottom line is that you are most definitely right - operator error causes literally 100% of NDs - no matter what brand or model handgun is involved.
 

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I hate to say it, but you guys blaming the Glock for the ND are no different than the anti's saying that guns kill people.

It ain't the gun, its the operator. :)

Yes, no and sometimes.
A lot of us are picking on Glocks because we like picking on Glocks.
Everything has it's Pros and Cons.

I consider the 1911 the ultimate combat handgun. I have them, shoot them well except for a physical problem you're aware of, and I carry one when I don't want to cause a scene with a revolver.
That said, I've never been comfortable carrying one with the hammer back despite the thousands of hours I've done it.

Glocks are well made, dependable guns.
The NO safety and the attempt to cover it up with all the double talk about the built in safeties, drives me nuts.

Revolvers and especially big revolvers that I love, take a lifetime to shoot well double action. Lots of tuning and load development is involved not to mention huge piles of lead I have to melt down into usable bullets..... and most people never get the hang of it.

So no....we aren't as bad as the anti's because most of the arguments are based on logic and personal ability, not hype.

Now if you want emotional arguments, let's start talking about calibers and even worse, rifles.:lol:
 

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The NO safety and the attempt to cover it up with all the double talk about the built in safeties, drives me nuts.

But that's just it, there are safeties...there are 3 mechanical safeties that are all disengaged simultaneously when the shooter pulls the trigger. It forces the shooter to be smarter than his gun. Sometimes, people let the gun outsmart them. That's when the ND occurs. I tell my students all the time - you have to be smarter than your gun.

A thumb safety allows the person to not be as smart as the gun because the safety will (allegedly) save them.
 

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I hate to say it, but you guys blaming the Glock for the ND...

It ain't the gun, its the operator. :)

Brainfart = ND. Pure and simple.
Don't blame the Tupperware. It didn't just jump outta the holster and smack that little primer right in the soft spot!
I'm no Tupperware fan either, but my oldest daughter loves her G-21 and has NEVER had an ND, in spite of having a couple thousand rounds downrange.
I don't like the "square" feeling of the grip. I'm just an old-fashioned 1911 kinda guy. Why flock with perfection?
 

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Should this deputy sheriff be allowed to remain an armed deputy in the sheriff's department?
 

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I hate to say it, but you guys blaming the Glock for the ND are no different than the anti's saying that guns kill people.

It ain't the gun, its the operator. :)

I agree it is the operator, but Glock sure does make it easier for the operator to make the error by putting the safety on the trigger.
 

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Not me

I hate to say it, but you guys blaming the Glock for the ND are no different than the anti's saying that guns kill people.

It ain't the gun, its the operator. :)

I never blamed the Glock for the ND. I have never liked them and would not own one, but I do not think it was an equipment malfunction.

“Operator Error” is without a doubt in my mind the cause.
 

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I hear the victim was discharged so she was very lucky...luckier than the dude in Spotsy with his kids in the van who hit his femoral artery and bled out, after shooting himself with a GLOCK 27. I understand he had no holster at all.

My main GLOCK holster is the Bianchi CarryLok.
 

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I hate to say it, but you guys blaming the Glock for the ND are no different than the anti's saying that guns kill people.
At least some of these guys are just having a go at plastic guns. It's their "thing". I take it with a grain of salt. I suspect you see more NDs with Glocks because there are just so many of them out there compared to other firearms.

Perhaps these officers could benefit from some more specific training, not the least of which would be not putting your finger in the trigger well until you are ready to shoot. It's not rocket surgery.
At least she didn't say "I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry the Glock .40" beforehand.
Glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking that. :D
 

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I just don't see how. Why was the weapon OUT OF THE HOLSTER in the first place?

Most LE agencies use at least level two retention. Most of them recommend or even mandate level three retention.

I don't get it, Jim. Aren't these people supposed to be "professionals"? I mean, if the antis had their druthers the only way to get a gun would be to go along with a badge or BDUs.
 
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