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CSGV urging SWATing campaign against Open Carriers

OC for ME

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Did you guys even read the article... while the headline related it to "swating" (attention grabbing headline)... the organizations aren't recommending calling with any false information. They're recommending you call and report a man with a gun and that you feel unsafe and would like police presence. If that advice is followed, it's up to police to decide how to respond (if at all). There's no suit or defamation there.

Don't overreact to every headline. It's playing into the anti's hands.
Class B Misdemeanor in MO to file a false report. Then misuse of 911, Class C Misdemeanor as well.
 

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Did you guys even read the article... while the headline related it to "swating" (attention grabbing headline)... the organizations aren't recommending calling with any false information. They're recommending you call and report a man with a gun and that you feel unsafe and would like police presence. If that advice is followed, it's up to police to decide how to respond (if at all). There's no suit or defamation there.

Don't overreact to every headline. It's playing into the anti's hands.

quote: It is not the first time supporters of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and other gun control advocates have pressed for the public to call cops on legal gun owners. An October 2014 National Review article found that the Facebook pages and websites of groups including the coalition, Moms Demand Action and GunFreeZone.net included numerous comments from the public advocating that people call the police and intentionally exaggerate what they see in the hopes of getting cops to stop those open-carrying guns. unquote http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/0...permit-holders-putting-lives-at/?intcmp=hpbt4

quote: But the video shows Loehmann did not even give Rice a chance, hopping out of the patrol car before it even comes to a complete stop and opening fire.

In fact, other than a call to dispatch from a witness saying Rice was randomly pointing the gun at people, but also adding that the gun was “probably fake” and that Rice was “probably a juvenile” – the latter two details the dispatcher failed to relay to the two officers, they did not even have a reasonable suspicion that he was committing a crime.

The reports also don’t mention the fact that the man who called 911 had sat at a table in the gazebo in the park for 20 minutes watching Rice playing with his gun.

And no mention is made of the fact that nobody else called 911, indicating that if Rice had been pointing the gun at others, they obviously did not feel threatened to the point that they needed to call police or worse, kill Rice. unquote http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...killing-12-year-old-tamir-rice-reports-state/

apparently my read of the 'article' seems to differ from yours, as shown above.

further, apparently the good citizen after watching the individual for 20 minutes didn't 'intentionally exaggerate what they see' to 911, but the good police dispatcher will fail to relay pertinent information to the good responding officers ,who, drove up at mock speed right in the middle of the park next to the gazbo and even before the patrol car comes to a complete stop, the driver jumps out, and within 18 seconds shoots the 12yo boy playing with the airsoft gun. DA sanctioned investigations say police were justified...

or the beaverton PD who responded to the wally world after the 911 caller said there was a man with a gun, arrived, immediately went into commando mode, hunted the citizen down playing with a toy, and shot and killed them.

following your advice of don't over react to the article...tell that to the families of the two individuals i mentioned above who died from 911 calls while doing nothing wrong!!

ya the 'article' had a headline which was attention grabbing...just as a bottle of poison has a warning label on it...therefore, i heed that attention grabbing headline to alert me, like the warning label on the bottle of poison, to make me aware i read the article to assure i am cognizant of all factors when i leave my residence, e.g., SA, condition of my PD firearm, etc., that I also need to be knowledgeable of the tactics being spew by emotionally charged & biased citizens who can, in a singular phone call, bring death to me under the color of law and w/impunity, faster than the BGs i MIGHT randomly encounter and MIGHT have to defend myself against.

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I was the focus of a MWAG call yesterday. The cop who responded was standing next to me while I was fueling at a Mobile On The Run, as was he. We were discussing the puny XDs on my hip.

He cleared the call in about 5 seconds. His cell phone rang about 10 seconds after that. He did not divulge the contents of the phone conversation, though he did roll his eyes during the call. I asked him when I could get the name of the caller. He told me that a "foia" request would be needed. He did state that it was a drive by cellphone MWAG call.

I asked the question and he did inform me that his dept would not pursue "ignorant callers" only malicious callers. Even though OC is "legal" they investigate anyway...top cop policy...ya just never know. They do inform the caller of the law.

He never did ask for papers.
 

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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel carries an article today with MPD Chief Flynn saying that their FOIA request turn-around time is currently seven months!

ETA: I went back to grab, cut&paste the quote that I read just a couple of hours ago and it's already gone. Someone else was as impressed as I.

one of the problems with electronic news reporting...there is no record of what was stated originally then 'updated' with differing material.

the OR shooting case in point...i originally saw the account state the suspect was 'captured' then the same report it changed to 'neutralized' then the report's sentence morf'd to 'killed himself'.

that was before the roseburg PD announced a week after the event two of their detectives 'selflessly & w/o body armour' immediately arrived on the scene, immediately located the shooter, gave chase, then took the suspect down ~ before killing himself!

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The Wayback Machine can usually find your now-missing electronic whatever.

stay safe.
 

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The Wayback Machine can usually find your now-missing electronic whatever.

stay safe.

i have not experienced any success with the technology...but perhaps, just perhaps the technology is beyond my operability per se...

i consistently get:

Hrm.

Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived.

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i have not experienced any success with the technology...but perhaps, just perhaps the technology is beyond my operability per se...

i consistently get:

Hrm.

Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived.

ipse

I don't think it's you, solus. I believe the articles change too quickly for something like the Wayback machine to be able to get copies of the different versions. The system cannot monitor every website and page constantly, it can only periodically check for changes, at best. I had a nearly identical experience to yours when reading first reports of another, unrelated shooting recently. Initial news reports indicated that the suspect was in custody. A few minutes later, almost all news stories were updated to say that the gunman was killed, without any indication that the story had been edited. I appreciate when a news agency makes their edits and updates documented and detailed. For example "early reports indicated that the suspect was in custody, but new and more reliable information indicates that the suspect was killed in an exchange of gunfire with officers"

Yet, even with all of these undocumented discrepancies in their amazingly fluid reports, we're supposed to consider these news agencies "reliable sources" for information...
 

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I don't think it's you, solus. I believe the articles change too quickly for something like the Wayback machine to be able to get copies of the different versions. The system cannot monitor every website and page constantly, it can only periodically check for changes, at best. I had a nearly identical experience to yours when reading first reports of another, unrelated shooting recently. Initial news reports indicated that the suspect was in custody. A few minutes later, almost all news stories were updated to say that the gunman was killed, without any indication that the story had been edited. I appreciate when a news agency makes their edits and updates documented and detailed. For example "early reports indicated that the suspect was in custody, but new and more reliable information indicates that the suspect was killed in an exchange of gunfire with officers"

Yet, even with all of these undocumented discrepancies in their amazingly fluid reports, we're supposed to consider these news agencies "reliable sources" for information...

brian williams exemplified one national news broadcasting organizations credibility..shame Marrow and Cronkite have passed...oh wait we still have the savant from Florida...the now called 'entertainer'...rush something or other...

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