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HandyHamlet

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Happy days are here again, The skies above are clear again...

Now for Constitutional Carry.
 
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jpm84092

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Gentlemen, the fight is not over.

SB93 as amended, may have passed both the Assembly and Senate and will likely be signed by Governor Walker, but our struggle is not over.

We need WI law to mirror UT law and allow those who opt for a permit to carry not only on the grounds that are outside the legal boundary (property lines) of a school, but also within those grounds (just like UT).

We also need a "Constitutional Carry" provision that makes it clear that the permit is optional for those worried about the Federal GFSZ and for interstate reciprocity.

OK, so part of me is a 2nd Amendment Constitutional advocate, the other part of me does not think that background checks, if limited to criminal behavior in the past, are such a bad idea. In my humble opinion, persons such as those convicted of going armed with a firearm while intoxicated, or who have committed a violent offense that involved a firearm, should not be granted a permit willy nilly. And, likewise, should not qualify for Constitutional Carry unless circumstances and facts are submitted that strongly suggest that any tendency toward misbehavior with a firearm has been corrected.

Carry on..
 

Motofixxer

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Does the word "felon or domestic violence" appear in the 2nd amendment? I don't recall seeing it there. Is a felon's life worth any less than another? Didn't they serve their sentence, suffer their punishment, and pay their debt to society? Do you want to be prejudged on your past? Are you the exact same person you were 1, 5, or 10 yrs ago? Don't we have Statutes prohibiting acts of violence with weapons? Just some questions to ponder?
 
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Eagle2009

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bye bye school zone 1000ft rule for permit holders. thank goodness.


This is only partly true. Permit holders are still subject to the FEDERAL Gun Free School Zones Act of 1995 when they travel outside of the State that physically issued their permit. Also, there is never an exception in the federal law for discharging a firearm in a school zone under any circumstances. If you ever discharge your firearm within 1000 feet of a school (even in Wisconsin) for any reason, you are subject to federal felony prosecution.

Read this official letter from BATFE written to a permit holder telling him he is subject to prosecution under the federal law, even though he is in full compliance with state law.
www.handgunlaw.us/documents/batf_school_zone.pdf
 
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lockman

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This is only partly true. Permit holders are still subject to the FEDERAL Gun Free School Zones Act of 1995 when they travel outside of the State that physically issued their permit. Also, there is never an exception in the federal law for discharging a firearm in a school zone under any circumstances. If you ever discharge your firearm within 1000 feet of a school (even in Wisconsin) for any reason, you are subject to federal felony prosecution.

Read this official letter from BATFE written to a permit holder telling him he is subject to prosecution under the federal law, even though he is in full compliance with state law.
www.handgunlaw.us/documents/batf_school_zone.pdf

The state may grant you a license or "license" without physically giving you a piece of paper or plastic. Law grant people license to do all sorts of things that are otherwise illegal. WI has done this with the recognized out of state permits with the condition of the background check, which is complaint with the new GFSZ act.
 

protias

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Does the word "felon or domestic violence" appear in the 2nd amendment? I don't recall seeing it there. Is a felon's life worth any less than another? Didn't they serve their sentence, suffer their punishment, and pay their debt to society? Do you want to be prejudged on your past? Are you the exact same person you were 1, 5, or 10 yrs ago? Don't we have Statutes prohibiting acts of violence with weapons? Just some questions to ponder?
I'm still on the fence for this. Violent felons should face capital punishment, but I do agree, non-violent felons (pretty much anything is a felony now :rolleyes:) should have their rights reestablished.
 

Interceptor_Knight

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Also, there is never an exception in the federal law for discharging a firearm in a school zone under any circumstances. If you ever discharge your firearm within 1000 feet of a school (even in Wisconsin) for any reason, you are subject to federal felony prosecution.
There most certainly are several exceptions....

(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the person knows is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual; or
 
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Interceptor_Knight

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The state may grant you a license or "license" without physically giving you a piece of paper or plastic. Law grant people license to do all sorts of things that are otherwise illegal. WI has done this with the recognized out of state permits with the condition of the background check, which is complaint with the new GFSZ act.

It is not compliant with the Federal GFSZ unless WI does the background checks. It is irrelevant and academic though because no WI prosecutor is going to charge anyone.
B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a
firearm -
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) ........the law enforcement authorities of the State or
political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified
under law to receive the license;
 
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