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BR 349 Prefiled for 2019 legislative session

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I understand. I am perplexed as to why a private school (private property) must abide by KRS 527.070. School administrators are notoriously anti-gun and anti-liberty and the question answers itself. It would be quite interesting if a private school ignored the law and then promoted the fact that the staff are armed and parents are too invited to be armed as they will on their private property.
The private school could tell the state to stick-it. The state could try to argue that the private school is chartered through the state AND they are responsible for the safety of children. Unlike a home schooler, the home schooler is schooling their own children.

Where does the state get the power to tell you can't carry in a church? I say the state lacks any constitutional authority to regulate churches.
 

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Come back when you make up some new laws. There aren't many laws about open carry but it's not because of the constitution. It's because OC has been legal since 1792 and all the issues concerning OC have been settled by the courts long ago. It is common law. CC is only 21 years old so almost every new law is to settle that or to lessen or tighten restriction on that. They have passed laws restricting OC before and they can do it again by the same methods. You might scream about it but they won't care. I don't expect it any time soon.

Had to check to make sure nothing has went on since last time I did.

Your assertion that there has been so many court cases on OC that it's settled case law is wrong.
In fact almost all OC cases have been dismissed that there is little to no case law in KY on OC.
 
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I understand. I am perplexed as to why a private school (private property) must abide by KRS 527.070. School administrators are notoriously anti-gun and anti-liberty and the question answers itself. It would be quite interesting if a private school ignored the law and then promoted the fact that the staff are armed and parents are too invited to be armed as they will on their private property.

There are many laws that mandate certain actions and/or prohibitions by owners of private property. Posting of "No Smoking" signs, for example. Access to public restrooms, non-discrimination in employment, fire exits, smoke detectors, no. of people allowed in the building, overtime payment, payment of unemployment insurance and workman's compensation insurance etc, etc. I could name them all day long. If you actually read KRS 527.070 here: http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=19962, you will learn that Section (3)(f) allows any PUBLIC or PRIVATE school board of education or board of trustees to authorize ANY person to ignore KRS 527.020 and carry a firearm on their property. Demanding that private property owners obey laws is not a novel idea nor an unusual requirement of any state government. This is not unique to the Commonwealth of Ky.

I personally know of three PRIVATE school districts in Ky. that allow, at least, SOME persons to carry guns on their property. I know this because those people asked KC3 for advice from our attorney on what their options were. There could be many more that do that and I just don't know about it. I read that, last year, Pike Co. Board of Education voted to allow persons with a concealed carry licenses to carry on their school property. It is also my understanding that the vote has now been rescinded, due to public outcry.


You see, unlike some other members of this board, I do not know everything and do not claim to know everything. However, I know what I don't know and I know what I do know. If I am mistaken and can be PROVEN to be mistaken, I will gladly and politely admit that I was mistaken.
 

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The private school could tell the state to stick-it. The state could try to argue that the private school is chartered through the state AND they are responsible for the safety of children. Unlike a home schooler, the home schooler is schooling their own children.

Where does the state get the power to tell you can't carry in a church? I say the state lacks any constitutional authority to regulate churches.

Ky.'s original CC law from 1996 had churches included in the list of places where these new concealed weapons could not be carried. That was the first of many changes that KC3 sought. That prohibition was removed in 1997, for the very reasons that COL has mentioned here. We also had several ministers insisting that who carried a gun in "their" church was no business for the state government.

However, I do think that private business's (including private schools) are subject to the general laws of the Commonwealth. Is there anybody here that thinks that a private business, including private schools, is not subject to the state laws against prostitution, drug sales, child labor or slavery?
 

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I'd like to remind all the gentlemen that have posted here that this thread is supposed to be about BR 349, which has now become HB 76 and has been assigned to the House Committee on the Judiciary. The thread has, regrettably, gone very far afield and off topic. If there are other matters that are of interest to you that affect Ky. I suggest you start your own thread about them in this sub-forum. In the not too distant past, I would have asked to have this thread locked but I am not certain that option is now available. I welcome any further, relevant comments and discussion.
 

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Any school can allow guns to be carried if it wants to. public or private.

One simply need get permission from the schools administrator.


As to the ban on concealed church carry, true it was banned early in the KY permission slip scheme.

One however could guide legally open carry at church then. Unless the church administrator objected.

In any case the only remedy available then or now, unless invoking some fed law, was tell the carrier to leave
 

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Any school can allow guns to be carried if it wants to. public or private.

One simply need get permission from the schools administrator.


As to the ban on concealed church carry, true it was banned early in the KY permission slip scheme.

One however could guide legally open carry at church then. Unless the church administrator objected.

In any case the only remedy available then or now, unless invoking some fed law, was tell the carrier to leave

You are extremely careless in what you read and write. This is what I have always objected to, as well as the times you are flat out wrong.

A "schools administrator" cannot give you permission to bring a firearm onto school property. It must be a "school board" or "board of trustees". No single person can do it.
 

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You are extremely careless in what you read and write. This is what I have always objected to, as well as the times you are flat out wrong.

A "schools administrator" cannot give you permission to bring a firearm onto school property. It must be a "school board" or "board of trustees". No single person can do it.

I stand corrected. I should have double checked to make sure I had typed administrators, plural, and I did not. I apologize for typo.
 

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I stand corrected. I should have double checked to make sure I had typed administrators, plural, and I did not. I apologize for typo.

It is not just administrators, singular or plural? A Principal is an administrator. A Vice Principal is an administrator. A Superintendent is an administrator. None of those people can authorize you to carry. It takes a vote of the School Board or Board of Trustees. Those bodies are not "administrators". Are you intentional trying to get somebody arrested?
 

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It is not just administrators, singular or plural? A Principal is an administrator. A Vice Principal is an administrator. A Superintendent is an administrator. None of those people can authorize you to carry. It takes a vote of the School Board or Board of Trustees. Those bodies are not "administrators". Are you intentional trying to get somebody arrested?

Give it a rest. You got your apology for a typo.
If school boards and trustees are not the administrators of the school system they run in your language, that's your problem.

Your last question is so ridiculous I'll not justify it with an answer.
 
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