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Black college student hangs Confederate Flag in his dorm room

MilProGuy

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That's something ya don't see every day.

That's true!

I was impressed by this statement in the article about the young man:

"Thomas, who says he prefers to be called black rather than African-American, adds that he believes the Confederate flag is a sign of Southern pride, and not racism."


 
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Now, if a white kid put one up and had the same reasoning, I wonder if the story would end the same way?
 

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I have a friend who was born in South Africa, and later emigrated here and became an American citizen. Now, he's one who can put "African American" on his documents and really be correct.

Screws with people's minds when they find out he's white.
 

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Good for him!!

Many years ago, I had a young soldier put up a Confederate flag in his room. All the blacks were up in arms and demanding it be taken down. As Platoon Sergeant, I told them that I'd get him to take it down, but all the flags they had up would have to come down also. Never heard another word.
 

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Good for him!!

Many years ago, I had a young soldier put up a Confederate flag in his room. All the blacks were up in arms and demanding it be taken down. As Platoon Sergeant, I told them that I'd get him to take it down, but all the flags they had up would have to come down also. Never heard another word.

Aye! The mark of a wise and fair Platoon Sergeant!
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That's true!

I was impressed by this statement in the article about the young man:

"Thomas, who says he prefers to be called black rather than African-American, adds that he believes the Confederate flag is a sign of Southern pride, and not racism."



Then he's an idiot, because the "rebel" flag was never used by the confederacy.
 

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Screws with people's minds when they find out he's white.
Most South Africans are white, wonder how many here knew that. Most people in general do not. At least of those I have spoken to on the subject.


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After sticking up for my black friends from first grade (William) through graduation from high school and well beyond..

It's about damned time.

As for the guy sticking up for the C-flag, I'm not sure I agree with him, but I do applaude him. I hope from a distance.
 

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I agree with him that the flag is not a sign of racism, but southern heritage. I used to live in north Carolina, and it was not unusual to see whites and blacks with rebel flags on their vehicles, or on their shirts. Good for him.
 

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I question the point of displaying a symbol of not just despicable values, but an utterly failed attempt to uphold those values.

But ff he wants to display a symbol of ignominious defeat, well I guess that's his 1st Amendment right.
 

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Then he's an idiot, because the "rebel" flag was never used by the confederacy.

Not a flag for the nation, but adopted as a battle flag for some units including the Army of Northern Virginia. The battle flag was used in the canton of the Stainless Flag (Last style flag used by the CSA).
 

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I have a friend who was born in South Africa, and later emigrated here and became an American citizen. Now, he's one who can put "African American" on his documents and really be correct.

Screws with people's minds when they find out he's white.

I know someone very similar. Buddy of mine married a local woman (they are both caucasian) while he was temporarily living in South Africa. They had their first kid there, before coming back to the U.S. The kid gets into high school here and it seems some of the students wanted to start an "African-Americans" club. My friend's son shows up to the first organizational meeting and this ends up starting a minor brouhaha.

'You can't join this club, you're whi...' and the like. My friend and his wife (somewhat amusedly) backed up their son's play all the way to a meeting with the school board.

Bottom line the school board just torpedoed the whole club idea, they were gonna get hosed one way or another if they let it go forward.
 

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I question the point of displaying a symbol of not just despicable values, but an utterly failed attempt to uphold those values.

But ff he wants to display a symbol of ignominious defeat, well I guess that's his 1st Amendment right.

Please read your history. The War was much more about States' Rights than it was about slavery. You've heard of the Lincoln-Douglas debates, have you not? Would you care to hazard a guess as to which of the two argued in favor of slavery?

The greatest stain on the honor of the Confederate military was Andersonville. But no one remarks on the stain put on the Northern military by Rock Island prison. Not to mention the excesses of the butcher, Sherman, and his armed mob.

Ignominious defeat? The legend has it that when Lincoln heard that Lee had surrendered, he ordered the band to play "Dixie" as a tribute to a valiant and honorable foe. The South retained its honor. What the North did during the war and afterward not only left a vile taste in the mouths of the Southerners, but stained whatever honor the North had indelibly.

We still see the evidence of that stain today.
 

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Most South Africans are white, wonder how many here knew that. Most people in general do not. At least of those I have spoken to on the subject.


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True.

I have only know three African-Americans in my life... and one was white. I currently don't know any African-Americans.

Quite simply, if you have to qualify your citizenship with a hyphen, you're not an American.
 

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Please read your history. The War was much more about States' Rights than it was about slavery. You've heard of the Lincoln-Douglas debates, have you not? Would you care to hazard a guess as to which of the two argued in favor of slavery?

Yet if you read the constitution of the confederacy, it turns the notion that it was about states rights on its head. The CSA didn't bother eliminating what are presumably the most egregious parts of the federal power over the states. However, they did manage to codify slavery into the highest law of the land.

Such a bullshiat claim that the CSA was for the states and not for slavery.

Edit: Also, you're just plain wrong about the LD debates. Source and quote follow:
http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/inside.asp?ID=22&subjectID=2
I think, and shall try to show, that is wrong, wrong in its direct effect, letting slavery into Kansas, and Nebraska — and wrong in its prospective principle, allowing it to spread to every other part of the wide world, where men can be found inclined to take it.

This declared difference, but as I must think, cover real zeal for the spread of slavery, I can not but hate. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world — enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites — causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty — criticising the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest.
 
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Not a flag for the nation, but adopted as a battle flag for some units including the Army of Northern Virginia. The battle flag was used in the canton of the Stainless Flag (Last style flag used by the CSA).

The rebel flag wasn't a battle flag, either. The battle flag was square, not rectangular. What is commonly flown as "the confederate flag" is most close to the second confederate navy jack. However, it was _never_ the "confederate" flag. If people are going to say "heritage not hate", they'd better damned well know the heritage, and it's certainly not in flying a sign that was never officially what they claim to represent, and most certainly represents the fighting more than anything else.
 
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