Anti-gun Missouri Senator arrested, with a gun

[Griz]

In Ferguson with the rest of the cream of the crop.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/21/state...time-of-arrest-police-suspected-intoxication/

And here's her voting record.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/65451/jamilah-nasheed/37/guns

 

[kcgunfan]

Imagine that, a hypocrite...

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[The Truth]

Politicians, man...

May 14, 2013 HB 533 Authorizes State Employees to Keep Firearms in Vehicles Bill Passed - Senate (26 - 7) Nay


:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Baked on Grease]

Imagine that, a hypocrite...

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Not necessarily. Many of them think that The People should not guns... and they are The Elite, not one of the little people. That's why they exempt themselves and certain groups from so many laws.

 

[davidmcbeth]

No breathalyzer for me ! she said

Is this an automatic license revocation?

 

[JoeSparky]

No breathalyzer for me ! she said

Is this an automatic license revocation?

She was not operating a vehicle so NO, it isn't!

 

[Richieg150]

She was arrested, and found with a loaded firearm concealed on her. She refused a breathalyzer test, stating ," Why should I, I am not Drunk"... or something similar. Missouri gun laws state: It shall be considered a felony to possess any loaded firearm while intoxicated. WHY wasn't the issue pushed a her forced to take a breathalyzer, there was probable cause by her actions and smell of alcohol........ Lets see..... she was black, she was a black woman, she was a black woman senator, she was a black woman protesting, she was a black woman- anti-gun-with a concealed firearm-protesting in the middle of the street- impeding traffic- smelling of alcohol, ect...... I guess the time has come, if your black, you don't have to obey the laws, just look at all the stuff that went down in Ferguson, you just scream, act stupid, riot, beat people up..... because you are black.... and all the sharptons and jacksons run and applaud you, in spite of what you did wrong, because you are black. Its getting really old , really fast...... unless your black .

 

[The Truth]

Maybe this is the time for people of color to stand up for what they believe no matter what. Fight the unconstitutional treatment. Force people to ignore race based on a mutual respect for true liberty. Take a stand. Do it right. Maybe she is evolving and now her voting will reflect that.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[9026543]

Not defending Rasheed but read this from the MO laws. Notice the word AND that is the kicker.


571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or

 

[OC for ME]

Not defending Rasheed but read this from the MO laws. Notice the word AND that is the kicker.


571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or

I have asked this question to several cops, including the cop (LSTL I think) CCW instructor over at UD in St. Peters (several years ago), he/they (not all) seemed to ignore everything past the second comma. I wrote down, in the course guide, many notes (his comments), I'll organize them and post them, it has been some time and the views held then may be different today.

 

[kcgunfan]

If I remember correctly, that statute was changed in 2013, so notes from several years ago would be expected to be different.

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[Griz]

I have asked this question to several cops, including the cop (LSTL I think) CCW instructor over at UD in St. Peters (several years ago), he/they (not all) seemed to ignore everything past the second comma.

Does that mean you can't have it if intoxicated, until you need it, then it's OK?

 

[kcgunfan]

Yep, but I would not recommend it.

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[OC for ME]

No, it does not mean that. However there has not been a court case to decide if the verbiage after the second comma regarding:

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or

I am unable to find the wording of this statute as it existed back in the day of https://www.courtlistener.com/mo/a442/state-v-richard/

 

[Renegadez]

So it is legal in MO to be in possession of a loaded firearm as long as you have not or are not using it? Is there also no penalty for carrying concealed WITHOUT your CCW present?

 

[Richieg150]

So it is legal in MO to be in possession of a loaded firearm as long as you have not or are not using it? Is there also no penalty for carrying concealed WITHOUT your CCW present?

I believe its a 35.00 fine, if caught, carrying concealed without the permit on your person, if you were cited for that. In Missouri LEO's just run your Drivers license and it will come up if you do or don't have the permit. So, if you were to be "CAUGHT", carrying concealed without your permit, the LEO who "CAUGHT" you, would simply run you drivers license. Its up to the LEO if they want to cite you.

 

[kcgunfan]

It is a felony to possess a concealed weapon without a permit. It is perfectly legal to possess a firearm is you are intoxicated, if you don't handle or use it. There is a fine and court costs associated with carrying concealed without your permit.

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[Mo]

It is perfectly legal to possess a firearm is you are intoxicated, if you don't handle or use it.

You can use it if acting in self defense.

 

[Richieg150]

There is a fine and court costs associated with carrying concealed without your permit.

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35.00 $ fine, per Missouri web site that is the minimum not sure about court costs, as I posted earlier, IF cited for carrying concealed without your permit on your person.

 

[OC for ME]

Some political subdivisions have a no booze & guns ordinance in their city codes. These code do not contain the "... and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner..." caveat contained within 571.030.1(5). I have yet to find a state appeals court/SSC decision that addresses this. The cited decision from 2009 has very little to do with you simply sitting on your front porch, packing heat, and you four beers into a six pack.

571.010.1(11) "Intoxicated", substantially impaired mental or physical capacity resulting from introduction of any substance into the body;

A cop would have to articulate (prove) that you are/were "substantially impaired" to get a intoxicated & packing heat charge to stick.

Consider this; if you are deemed too impaired to merely possess a firearm (OC), how could you be not too impaired to defend yourself with that firearm.